Sayna
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Post by Sayna on Mar 8, 2009 21:40:51 GMT -5
Kathryn Joyce* wrote an article at Mother Jones about a group that seeks to promote female subjugation and "traditional bilical marriage. Check it out, it's pretty disturbing: The Purpose-Driven Wife | Mother JonesThe accompanying illustration is pretty good, too: *shudders* Discuss this and other anti-feminist Christian groups/movements, misogyny in religion, etc.
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Post by Undecided on Mar 8, 2009 22:12:14 GMT -5
I've been reading 1 Corinthians. It's not exactly reassuring.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 8, 2009 23:07:10 GMT -5
Gods above and below that sounds so familier to me.
Ironbite-but the results of what happened with that made me so happy.
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Post by ausador on Mar 9, 2009 0:39:40 GMT -5
Why didn't you guys tell my EX about this shit back in 2001 huh?...I'd still be married and getting sandwiches delivered from the kitchen!
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Post by maanantai on Mar 9, 2009 1:21:53 GMT -5
Oh Dear! I've done EVERYTHING opposite to this list Well, okey, not everything and everytime... I've made him sandwiches that he likes, just to make him happy Does this mean then that I'm constantly shaking my fist at god? ...my hubby does have wrong opinions from time to time and I choose to ignore them But on the other hand neither one of us believes that I should be obeying him or other way around. How ungodly of us! Not to even mention that "good spousekeeping" -list... I'm afraid that I'm never going to be "godly little servant helpmeet" for my hubby. I'm too loud/always voicing my opinion, too lazy to serve someone and I apparently think too much for myself
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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 9, 2009 1:33:20 GMT -5
The most incredible thing about this sort of stuff is that there are women who buy into it.
I can understand it like 200 years ago when opposition was not socially practical, but these days opposing this kind of nonsense isn't even rebellious, just good sense.
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Sayna
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Post by Sayna on Mar 9, 2009 2:40:31 GMT -5
Women are actually the leaders of this group! They're not justbuying into it, they're the ones pushing for it most.
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Post by Bojangles on Mar 9, 2009 2:41:16 GMT -5
What I find weird are the men that would go for this kind of wife. I'm not denying that there are those types out there but I'm confident in saying that most of the men I know (aside from the fundies) would hate to have a robot in place of a partner. I wouldn't be me if I didn't express my opinions, contradict my fiance and even at times, tell him to fuck off because he is annoying me. And if that wasn't me, he wouldn't love me. The same way I wouldn't love him if he became a domineering, controlling prick. And dammit if he is hungry, he is perfectly capable of making his own sandwiches!
I don't understand these people who don't see marriage as a partnership where each partner has needs that must be addressed and looked after in order for it to work. Why must it be turned into a master and servant kind of thing? Why do fundie men feel the need to have a slave and fundie women feel the need to be controlled?
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Post by Redhunter on Mar 9, 2009 3:47:56 GMT -5
What I find weird are the men that would go for this kind of wife. I'm not denying that there are those types out there but I'm confident in saying that most of the men I know (aside from the fundies) would hate to have a robot in place of a partner. I wouldn't be me if I didn't express my opinions, contradict my fiance and even at times, tell him to fuck off because he is annoying me. And if that wasn't me, he wouldn't love me. The same way I wouldn't love him if he became a domineering, controlling prick. And dammit if he is hungry, he is perfectly capable of making his own sandwiches! I don't understand these people who don't see marriage as a partnership where each partner has needs that must be addressed and looked after in order for it to work. Why must it be turned into a master and servant kind of thing? Why do fundie men feel the need to have a slave and fundie women feel the need to be controlled? Because religion is FUCKED! I don't understand it either. I would NEVER want a mate who is solely some automaton without a mind or will of her own. And don't get me wrong, as a perv, the thought of someone who will do whatever I want for a night or a weekend that would and could be great fun, but to marry someone like that? Fuck would THAT get old fast. And not to sound corny, but there is a huge difference between what folks call "making love" and simply getting ones rocks off. The feeling of connection to someone whom you respect and revere, whose mind and personality are also attractive is worlds beyond the often necessary yet base physical urges of simple biological fucking.
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Post by somnium on Mar 9, 2009 4:37:17 GMT -5
I'm just glad I live in a modern, western culture where this general attitude is no longer considered the norm. It has been reduced to a running joke, at least by some members of the younger generations - which can only further its demise. In the spirit of reducing this archaic ideology to the joke that it is - check out this vid posted on Boing Boing a few weeks ago (incredibly funny, it shows just how ridicules it is to treat women as subordinate) boingboing.net/2009/02/13/woman-know-your-limi.html@ Redhunter it may be fun to have someone who will let you do what ever you want for a night, but I think it would be more fun if they let you do anything you wanted even though they could stop if they wanted to. (I hope that made sense, I am not very eloquent when it comes to writing)
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Post by brendanjd on Mar 9, 2009 5:37:27 GMT -5
Read Galatians.
Scriptural proof that women are equal to men.
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Post by Redhunter on Mar 9, 2009 6:26:17 GMT -5
@ Redhunter it may be fun to have someone who will let you do what ever you want for a night, but I think it would be more fun if they let you do anything you wanted even though they could stop if they wanted to. (I hope that made sense, I am not very eloquent when it comes to writing) Yes! THAT is what I was attempting to say as well. The robot part of it would suck, but PRETENDING for a while is a whole 'nother sweet ballgame.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 9, 2009 7:32:16 GMT -5
What I find weird are the men that would go for this kind of wife. I'm not denying that there are those types out there but I'm confident in saying that most of the men I know (aside from the fundies) would hate to have a robot in place of a partner. I wouldn't be me if I didn't express my opinions, contradict my fiance and even at times, tell him to fuck off because he is annoying me. And if that wasn't me, he wouldn't love me. The same way I wouldn't love him if he became a domineering, controlling prick. And dammit if he is hungry, he is perfectly capable of making his own sandwiches! I don't understand these people who don't see marriage as a partnership where each partner has needs that must be addressed and looked after in order for it to work. Why must it be turned into a master and servant kind of thing? Why do fundie men feel the need to have a slave and fundie women feel the need to be controlled? Just for the record, I'm not *excusing* this sort of behaviour. I would imagine, though, that good chunk of it comes from upbringing. If you're raised in this sort of environment where women are the lesser half of a marriage, you're probably going to see that as "normal" and go with the flow, even if you're on the losing side of the equation. It sounds pretty crazy, but that's the power of behavioural conditioning. People who will grow up believing and even asserting ideas which are against their own interests, simply because it's all they know.
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Post by Madame Scarlet on Mar 9, 2009 7:53:20 GMT -5
What I find weird are the men that would go for this kind of wife. I'm not denying that there are those types out there but I'm confident in saying that most of the men I know (aside from the fundies) would hate to have a robot in place of a partner. I wouldn't be me if I didn't express my opinions, contradict my fiance and even at times, tell him to fuck off because he is annoying me. And if that wasn't me, he wouldn't love me. The same way I wouldn't love him if he became a domineering, controlling prick. And dammit if he is hungry, he is perfectly capable of making his own sandwiches! I don't understand these people who don't see marriage as a partnership where each partner has needs that must be addressed and looked after in order for it to work. Why must it be turned into a master and servant kind of thing? Why do fundie men feel the need to have a slave and fundie women feel the need to be controlled? Just for the record, I'm not *excusing* this sort of behaviour. I would imagine, though, that good chunk of it comes from upbringing. If you're raised in this sort of environment where women are the lesser half of a marriage, you're probably going to see that as "normal" and go with the flow, even if you're on the losing side of the equation. It sounds pretty crazy, but that's the power of behavioural conditioning. People who will grow up believing and even asserting ideas which are against their own interests, simply because it's all they know. When I was a fundie I myself bought into a lot of sexist bullshit. None of it was nearly as extreme as in the article in the OP, but it was still sexist and still wrong. But sexism (against both genders, really, not just women) was espoused by the people I was supposed to agree with. Even though I knew I was an intelligent, capable woman, smarter than most guys my age I'd met, I bought into the lie that most women were emotional wrecks (which I'm generally not; I tend to be far more analytical than most people) and they shouldn't be in charge of anything big. They could have jobs and not be slaves to their husbands, but not be president either, and it was still better for a woman to be a slave to her husband anyway.
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Post by Bojangles on Mar 9, 2009 8:29:55 GMT -5
Just for the record, I'm not *excusing* this sort of behaviour. I would imagine, though, that good chunk of it comes from upbringing. If you're raised in this sort of environment where women are the lesser half of a marriage, you're probably going to see that as "normal" and go with the flow, even if you're on the losing side of the equation. It sounds pretty crazy, but that's the power of behavioural conditioning. People who will grow up believing and even asserting ideas which are against their own interests, simply because it's all they know. When I was a fundie I myself bought into a lot of sexist bullshit. None of it was nearly as extreme as in the article in the OP, but it was still sexist and still wrong. But sexism (against both genders, really, not just women) was espoused by the people I was supposed to agree with. Even though I knew I was an intelligent, capable woman, smarter than most guys my age I'd met, I bought into the lie that most women were emotional wrecks (which I'm generally not; I tend to be far more analytical than most people) and they shouldn't be in charge of anything big. They could have jobs and not be slaves to their husbands, but not be president either, and it was still better for a woman to be a slave to her husband anyway. I know. I hear exactly what you guys are saying. If the people you trust to teach you the right things are telling you the wrong things (because it's what they in turn believe) then it seems only natural that you would listen to them. And when you add that to the whole "eternal soul being in danger" and "burning in a lake of fire if you mess up" then it becomes even more scary. It's just very very sad, especially if these people never meet anyone who challenge their ideas. It's bad enough being told you are a second-class person, but if you never meet anyone who tells you that you don't have to be, it's even worse. The thing is for me that theoretically I do understand this, but when faced with it in real life, the feminist in me just has to rebel. Edit: What I find really weird though are the women like Martha Peace (in the article) who choose this kind of a life for themselves. People who have not been born into fundamentalism but choose to do this anyway. I know it happens and I'm sure the psychology behind it is very, very interesting but it still boggles my mind (which admittedly, isn't all that hard).
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