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Post by Ian1732 on Mar 9, 2009 13:47:28 GMT -5
Recently, Obama said that we should consider cooperating with the Taliban and lead them towards reconcilation. Aside from all the little details, how do you think the fundies are going to react to this?
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Post by Mira on Mar 9, 2009 13:52:24 GMT -5
OH SHI-  Everyone know diplomacy and reasoning are tools of the devil. |
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Post by Rubyfruit on Mar 9, 2009 13:53:20 GMT -5
OH SHI- Everyone know diplomacy and reasoning are tools of the devil. My thoughts exactly. Either that or "ONOES ANTICHRIST".... |
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Post by wisechild on Mar 9, 2009 14:00:16 GMT -5
Yeah, it sounds like Wing-Nut fodder, but I would have to ask President Obama, what he is trying to accomplish through this? Is it divide and conquer?
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Post by Mira on Mar 9, 2009 14:05:04 GMT -5
I just really hope the real reason of 9/11 can be universal knowledge (CIA backlash) and not the "They hate our freedoms" bullshit. I don't support the Taliban, but I understand that terrorists have reasoning too.
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Post by captainhooker on Mar 9, 2009 14:50:31 GMT -5
They were talking about this on NPR this morning. It's just following the successful model promoted by Gen. Patreus in Iraq. People think the surge killed the violence when the truth is paying off local fighters is what worked.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 9, 2009 14:51:49 GMT -5
I just really hope the real reason of 9/11 can be universal knowledge (CIA backlash) and not the "They hate our freedoms" bullshit. I don't support the Taliban, but I understand that terrorists have reasoning too. CIA backlash? Care to explain that one? |
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 9, 2009 16:21:11 GMT -5
Well, there are "moderates" in the Taliban. They did not all support Bin Laden and his people being in Afghanistan. Moderate is a relative term, in Islam, though. The Canadian envoys there, along with NATO allies, have been trying to make an accommodation with the moderates for awhile, not to give them power, but to allow them to be part of the process of Afghani independence from foreign occupation.
It all hinges around the Pakistani hinterlands/Afghani border area where the bad guys have been hiding for quite a while now, and reaching some sort of mutual agreement with the Pakistani government to stop the infiltration of Afghanistan from there. There was a long discussion about this very topic yesterday on the CBC. Quite interesting, actually.
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Post by ltfred on Mar 9, 2009 16:38:38 GMT -5
I just really hope the real reason of 9/11 can be universal knowledge (CIA backlash) and not the "They hate our freedoms" bullshit. I don't support the Taliban, but I understand that terrorists have reasoning too. CIA backlash? Care to explain that one? He meant 'CIA blowback': The CIA armed some people the probably shouldn't have (Al Qaeda and the Taliban), starting July 1979, which bombed Russian civilians across the border. When Russia attacked Afganistan in self-defense and in order to put a pro-Russian government in power, this funding was greatly racheted up, in the hope of giving Russia her Vietnam, which occured. Carter's (and later Reagen's) police was largely the cause of the end of the Soviet Union, but it also greatly strengthened the Islamist movements in the Middle East. And it created Al Qaeda and the Taliban. |
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Post by Mira on Mar 9, 2009 16:46:04 GMT -5
I just really hope the real reason of 9/11 can be universal knowledge (CIA backlash) and not the "They hate our freedoms" bullshit. I don't support the Taliban, but I understand that terrorists have reasoning too. CIA backlash? Care to explain that one? Sorry, the correct term should be blowback. Anyways, In the 1980's when the Soviet Union was in Afghanistan America took the side of the Afghans in the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" ideology. The US helped arm and militarize the Afghans in an effort to indirectly attack the USSR. This, and the CIA's other meddling in the Middle East (such as supporting the Shah in Iran) gave people a cause (getting the US out of the ME) and the capabilities to do something drastic. There is no 100% cause of the attacks, but I believe this is significant. Fundie Islam certainly didn't help either. This is why we need to investigate this fully so we can figure out how to resolve it. I believe that if we show civility and respect then we can start to convince radicals that we are not a force of evil. |
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Post by Julian on Mar 10, 2009 4:21:36 GMT -5
you both forgot to mention the training...
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Post by Art Vandelay on Mar 10, 2009 4:55:23 GMT -5
I thought the US was already supporting the Northern Alliance (I think that's what it's called) in Afghanistan. AFAIK them and the Taliban hate each other. How the fuck he's supposed to cooperate with the both of them is completely beyond me.
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Post by booley on Mar 10, 2009 6:48:23 GMT -5
I thought the US was already supporting the Northern Alliance (I think that's what it's called) in Afghanistan. AFAIK them and the Taliban hate each other. How the fuck he's supposed to cooperate with the both of them is completely beyond me. Well the same can be said of the shia and sunni in Iraq. But as Captain Hooker pointed out, the US just paid people off to fight each other. |
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