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Post by Dr. Waldorf X on Jul 21, 2009 1:46:51 GMT -5
OK, folks, I've been wondering about this for a while already, but I stumbled upon this thread and it basically tells me the same thing the paranoid assholes that stand at the sporting goods counter at the Wal-Mart I work at for literally two hours waiting for bullets (which thanks to these idiots' paranoia we can't keep in stock for more than 3 hours, and no, I'm not exaggerating) to come off the day's truck. I have two major questions here: 1) Do they honestly think the government will confiscate all of their guns, especially with the economy in its current state being unable to take such a major hit as the gun and ammunition industry being dismantled. 2) Why are they so obsessed with having guns? Unless its a small pistol or a hunting rifle, there's no way that its simply for "self-defense" as they usually claim. I've sold bullets to people I was somewhat scared of thanks to their willing admittance to willingly shoot to kill anyone who trespasses on their property. Are they letting their savage instincts take over? Is it a control thing? Seriously, what the hell people? I mean, I understand a collector's fascination with them be it simply a fascination with humanities various weapons or simply the engineering behind them, hell, they could just like them, but why are these fundies so obsessed and paranoid about them?
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Jul 21, 2009 1:55:40 GMT -5
Because the Liberal, Communist, terrorist sympithizing government is gonna take der' guns and leave them unprotected when the government let the North Koreans, Taliban, any and all brown people, Afghans, Iranians, Iraqies, Canadians, British, anyone who isn't from the Southern United States, white and Christian invade before dropping nuking Israel.
And they are willing to buy an entire stock of guns and ammunition from their local Wal-Mart, pawn shops, gun shows, neighbors, crazy Neo-Nazi from down the street to defend their right as a citizen on their Christian nation and their second amendment.
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Post by lonelocust on Jul 21, 2009 2:38:48 GMT -5
I think it's a groupthink thing. "Liberals", in their opinion, "want to take our guns", which leads to the conclusion that guns are totally necessary and something we should have.
There's plenty of conspiracy-theory justification for the belief that good Christian conservatives need guns now, but I really think it boils down to an us-vs-them and contrarian reaction. (I am not applying this to all people who have or want guns, but I do to all people that constantly wait in line at Wal*Mart for 2 hours, and believe Obama is coming for their guns so they need to be ready and stockpile them, etc.)
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Post by lumberjackninja on Jul 21, 2009 3:43:54 GMT -5
<pedant> I sure hope you sell more than just bullets; usually you need the whole shell to make a gun do its thing. </pedant>
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Post by Dr. Waldorf X on Jul 21, 2009 4:05:45 GMT -5
<pedant> I sure hope you sell more than just bullets; usually you need the whole shell to make a gun do its thing. </pedant> Honestly, I kinda wish we didn't sell the shells with the bullets simply so they would be useless if one of these idiots is actually quite violent and decides to pull a gun out and shoot everyone they can for some odd reason.
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Post by Maryland Bear on Jul 21, 2009 6:33:57 GMT -5
Basically, "Democrats want to take your guns!" is one of longest running Republican scare tactics, right up there with "Democrats want to raise your taxes!"
To be fair, gun control was once one of the big Democratic issues. However, they basically gave it up on the national level some years ago, because they realized it was a losing issue. In some very liberal areas, people running for local office, and sometimes the House, will run an a pro gun platform, but not often.
My personal theory as to why its a losing issue for the Democrats is that the anti-gun control crowd is passionate, and large. The pro gun groups aren't as big, and aren't as passionate. Numerically, it just doesn't pay off to support gun control nationwide.
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Post by secularskeptic on Jul 21, 2009 8:37:35 GMT -5
I agree with everything that has been said about how they think the liberals are going to take their guns.
I also think it's a form of psychological posturing. They see things all around them that threaten their world view and they are powerless to do anything about it. They aren't being allowed to take away a woman's right to an abortion, they aren't being as allowed as they were before to persecute gays and minority groups they dislike, atheism is on the rise so their delusions are threatened. Perhaps they feel that in amassing small arsenals they are somehow making a stand against the things they hate. They may not actually use the gun, but they feel a little more psychologically in control just being able to wave one all over the place.
There was a thread over at RR just a few weeks ago about a church that was encouraging their congregation to bring their guns to church. What I've just said above I think pretty much covers why they feel the need to act like bullets are their best friends, even in the house of their supposed god.
This brings to mind the thought that if they have so much faith in their god to protect them, then what the hell do they need guns for?
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Post by mistermuncher on Jul 21, 2009 8:40:45 GMT -5
You've got to admire the cognitive dissonance in "I'm protected and blessed by the most powerful being in the universe, and none could ever stand against his mighty power" and "I have a device designed exclusively for ending lives just in case I need it". That's yer fuckin' faith in action right there.
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Post by Maryland Bear on Jul 21, 2009 8:42:51 GMT -5
You've got to admire the cognitive dissonance in "I'm protected and blessed by the most powerful being in the universe, and none could ever stand against his mighty power" and "I have a device designed exclusively for ending lives just in case I need it". That's yer fuckin' faith in action right there. Their philosophy is basically one from the American Old West: "God created men, Sam Colt made them equal."
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Post by mistermuncher on Jul 21, 2009 8:56:28 GMT -5
The reaction to gun control I can understand. Freedom to bear arms is a cultural norm and all that, and changing such a thing is always going to be heavily resisted. I even understand the mad dash for guns in fear the government is going to take them away even though it's a:stupid and b:utterly fucking pointless in any outworking of government policy (they don't take them you waste your money, they do take them, they just take all your new guns as well. Zero-Sum game, anyone?).
What I actually can't for the life of me understand is the absolute fapfests over the hardware and the use of the hardware, and the notion, oft seen on RR and the like, that the solution to all violent crime, ever, is to have more guns, and shoot more people.
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Post by Maryland Bear on Jul 21, 2009 9:01:31 GMT -5
What I actually can't for the life of me understand is the absolute fapfests over the hardware and the use of the hardware, and the notion, oft seen on RR and the like, that the solution to all violent crime, ever, is to have more guns, and shoot more people. Because their little minds are incapable of solutions to problems beyond "lets go kill somebody". Hence, the Iraq War.
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Post by kristine on Jul 21, 2009 14:30:40 GMT -5
I always laugh when the religious get all bent out of shap about gun control laws. I mean - if you have one, then the athiest next door and the gay couple down the street can have one too.
How does that make you safer?
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 21, 2009 14:43:36 GMT -5
What's the difference between these 2 men, according to RR? The one on the right solved HIS problems with heavy artillary.
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Post by swordfish on Jul 21, 2009 15:06:53 GMT -5
2) Why are they so obsessed with having guns? Unless its a small pistol or a hunting rifle, there's no way that its simply for "self-defense" as they usually claim. How do you know you'll never have to crack an engine block in half from a mile away in self defense?My brother was at a gun range a few months ago and said he ran into a lot of people who were saying things like "Better get your guns now before Obama tries to take them away." I don't know where they'd get that idea (other than the fact that he's a Democrat) as I don't recall Obama ever saying anything about guns one way or the other. Shooting guns is kind of fun, I've been to a gun range myself. But, as lordx said, other than a hunting rifle and/or a pistol, what exactly are you using the gun for? ... Well maybe I could understand a pump action shotgun, too. Nothing will make a burglar piss his pants faster than hearing a shotgun cocking.
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Post by schizophonic on Jul 21, 2009 15:31:23 GMT -5
... Well maybe I could understand a pump action shotgun, too. Nothing will make a burglar piss his pants faster than hearing a shotgun cocking. A chain gun whirring to life will. Fear benefits religion in a lot of ways, even if they're not Rapture (Or even Fundie) folks.
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