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Post by wackadoodle on Mar 9, 2009 19:37:24 GMT -5
From another forum:
This shit pisses me off so much, mainly because I see it every fucking day. Whats so arrogant about being certain theirs no god? Where all certain the FSM isn't real. Why am I an asshole for saying "God doesn't exist" rather than the long as hell "Well god could exist but the chances are very very very very very tiny and theirs no solid evidence"? I have a simple rule, anything with less evidence than bigfoot goes in the "not real" column. If you want to shut my arrogant ass up get some footprints and grainy video.
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 9, 2009 19:40:29 GMT -5
Can I hear a "Holey Moley"!
I couldn't agree more. Well said!
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Post by Paradox on Mar 9, 2009 19:44:31 GMT -5
What do you mean the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real?
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Post by MozMode on Mar 9, 2009 19:45:55 GMT -5
From another forum: This shit pisses me off so much, mainly because I see it every fucking day. Whats so arrogant about being certain theirs no god? Where all certain the FSM isn't real. Why am I an asshole for saying "God doesn't exist" rather than the long as hell "Well god could exist but the chances are very very very very very tiny and theirs no solid evidence"? I have a simple rule, anything with less evidence than bigfoot goes in the "not real" column. If you want to shut my arrogant ass up get some footprints and grainy video. There's nothing wrong with it at all. Some people just have to complain about something.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 9, 2009 20:05:58 GMT -5
We know FSM was made up because it was made up recently.
We don't know Jesus was made up because He was made up 2000 years ago.
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Post by somnium on Mar 9, 2009 20:59:36 GMT -5
I'm hesitant to get into a slinging match, but Schizophonic has a point there is no way to know whether Jesus is made up or not. However, this is Jesus the man, he could have have been a spiritually leader, a Gandy-type figure back 2000 years ago - but Jesus the son of god, who turned water into wine and rose from the dead - that side of the story falls into the big foot category for me.
I understand why wackadoodle is annoyed, people need to learn to read between the lines - it takes too long to say god may exist but the odds are very.....very small; likewise it takes too long for a religious person to say I believe in god but I know there is not 100%, irrefutable evidence. We simplify the statement and hope that the people around us are rational enough not to jump down our throats abouts. Atheists have just as much right to say they don't believe as religious folk have to say they do.
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Post by MozMode on Mar 9, 2009 21:18:12 GMT -5
What I hate is that when someone says their Christian, we don't automatically jump into a back and forth about "Well how do you know God is real?". Yet, when you tell a Christian ( or more specifically, a Fundie Christian) that you are an Atheist and you do not believe in a God, about...hmm....95% will start in on "Well, how do you know he doesn't exist?" and "What makes you so sure?". It's such utter horseshit. They don't understand that we could very easily direct those lines right back at them and alllll they can ever say is "Well, he's in the Bible" or "Well, he's all around us. Don't you see? DON'T YOU SEE GOD'S CREATION ALL AROUND US! ??"
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Post by Star Cluster on Mar 9, 2009 21:31:20 GMT -5
To me, when someone says something like this, it says more about the person saying it than the person or persons they are saying it about. Ask yourself, why does this person feel this way. They have invested themselves in this emotional believe in an entity for which there is no proof whatsoever, logical, rational, physical, or otherwise. For someone to come along and state positively that they do not believe that a god exists puts a dent in their own faith. They cannot conceive that someone could possibly deny that their god is real and so they lash out.
The thing is, they feel the same way about every other religion's gods that atheists do about theirs. They postulate that they are certain the other guy's god does not exist. So how are they any different than the atheists they condemn?
While attitudes like this can be frustrating to hear over and over, it is not something that upset me terribly.
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Post by Paradox on Mar 9, 2009 21:51:18 GMT -5
We know FSM was made up because it was made up recently. How said. I can only pray that you too will be touched by His Noodly Appendage. Only then will you see the truth.
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Post by Undecided on Mar 9, 2009 22:59:31 GMT -5
Well, I'm a weak atheist/nontheist, not a strong one, which is a bit like preferring iced tea to chai. It's still tea, but we can still claim that we do not drink tea, because it doesn't really feel like tea.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 9, 2009 23:12:48 GMT -5
We know FSM was made up because it was made up recently. How said. I can only pray that you too will be touched by His Noodly Appendage. Only then will you see the truth. I love you. ETA: In a non-creepy fashion, of course.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Mar 9, 2009 23:17:22 GMT -5
I have no respect for anti-leprechaunists -- they postulate that they are certain leprechauns do not exist, simply because of logic and rational thought, both of which will never be able to disprove leprechauns.
Feel free to quote me on this.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 9, 2009 23:19:29 GMT -5
Ironbite-The Swog would like to talk to those people.
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Post by wackadoodle on Mar 9, 2009 23:31:46 GMT -5
That leprechaun needs a beer bottle.
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Post by Redhunter on Mar 10, 2009 2:22:41 GMT -5
Excellent posts from all on this subject. My logic based stance of "there doesn't seem to have ever been any gods at all" is called by believers, "stunning in it's gall", but a bible-thumper can (and has) walk up to me with a twinkle in their eye and nothing in their head and tell me with absolute and undeniable certainty (and a really, really, really, really, really, really, really strong gut feeling) that jesus was a man who was really part of god and he died to take all the sins of the world upon him so that we don't go to hell to be tortured for eternity...
Nevermind that there isn't a lick of proof for any of it including the reality of a jesus, god, sin or hell.
But the hindus with their cow religion? How silly. Why that idea is so silly that it can't or won't even be seriously considered for anything but mockery.
Christian: What a bunch of goofy dirt farmers with an ancient book full of kooky stories about unproven people creating miracles and doing things contrary to all known science/physics during unbelievable events. How could ANYONE possible believe that for a second?
Me: Yes... that is pretty nutty, isn't it...
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