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Post by mr blur on Mar 12, 2009 4:11:37 GMT -5
Well, I'm definitely un-American, but I'm not anti-American.
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Post by Mira on Mar 12, 2009 4:51:26 GMT -5
I am about as far left as you can get socially, but I consider myself conservative to moderate fiscally. I am for less spending in government, but still think government should help those who can't help themselves. I think taxes should return to what they were pre-bush and stay that way. Political pigeonholes are so vague, some may call me a fiscal liberal, moderate, or conservative. I am not sure exactly where I fit there really.
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nuitarihw
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Post by nuitarihw on Mar 12, 2009 16:11:06 GMT -5
I am about as far left as you can get socially, but I consider myself conservative to moderate fiscally. I am for less spending in government, but still think government should help those who can't help themselves. I think taxes should return to what they were pre-bush and stay that way. Political pigeonholes are so vague, some may call me a fiscal liberal, moderate, or conservative. I am not sure exactly where I fit there really. This sums up my views pretty perfectly, socially liberal, economically moderate. Honestly, neither the liberal nor conservative economic policy is correct all the time, it takes judgment to figure out what is best for the economy at a certain point, although I think less government debt and spending overall is a good thing.
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Post by Oriet on Mar 13, 2009 11:36:15 GMT -5
I'd say a conservative, of any kind, would fit in well here: as long as they used intelligent discourse, could logically back up their arguments/views, and are willing to learn. After all, those three criteria apply to everyone here, so it's not like they'd be treated different.
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Sayna
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Post by Sayna on Mar 20, 2009 0:30:58 GMT -5
I was thinking more, pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, pro-smaller government, less taxes, less regulations....ect. I think the key would be a lack of religious bases for those some of those stances. Pro-life and pro-smaller government? Don't make me laugh! If the government can control a woman's reproductive decisions, she is not free. "Pro-traditional marriage"?! Are you kidding me? There's no such thing, it's a euphemism that doesn't even make sense. Marriage has changed so much over time. What you mean is that someone is opposed to same-sex marriage.
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D'Coke
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Post by D'Coke on Mar 21, 2009 23:38:56 GMT -5
Define conservative. its just the idiot bible-thumping creationist gay-hating backwards flag-waving theocrat warmongers I think should be beat with the stupid stick. Sadly they've become so numerous and loud their synonymous with conservative and are dragging down the few good conservative ideas. I was thinking more, pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, pro-smaller government, less taxes, less regulations....ect. I think the key would be a lack of religious bases for those some of those stances. Some of those contradict each other. I can let the pro-life thing slide, because I'm not as idealist as I may seem and debating such a fine line is pointless at this point in time. But you'll falll off my radar if you don't support the abortion of rape-babies and where 12 year old mothers are concerned. That said, how small is your preferred government, how minimal your regulations, if you can't let two people get married because they're of the same sex? My argument against would be: stay the fuck out of my family decisions. Useless traditions are still useless. Also, I'll only accept your non-theofacist basis if you aren't at all Christian, otherwise you're lying to yourself and us.
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Post by szaleniec on Mar 25, 2009 20:08:17 GMT -5
Well said. State intervention in people's family lives is the antithesis of the values they claim to uphold.
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Post by ltfred on Mar 25, 2009 21:23:50 GMT -5
This is something I have been wondering for awhile, could a conservative poster on this site gain respect, or acceptance from the general community? Do Rookie and I count? Rookie, yes. He's reasonably conservative, in that he wants to keep current instutions. You're more of a radical, like all anarchists.
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Post by Lady Renae on Mar 27, 2009 14:05:09 GMT -5
You're more of a radical, like all anarchists. *ahem!* *points at her siggy and her post in the thread about who has what political views* ^-^ Hi there! 'All anarchists are radicals'? Extrapolate, please?
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Post by dantesvirgil on Mar 27, 2009 14:59:04 GMT -5
You're more of a radical, like all anarchists. *ahem!* *points at her siggy and her post in the thread about who has what political views* ^-^ Hi there! 'All anarchists are radicals'? Extrapolate, please? I'd certainly like to think so. Especially if you define it against its opposite, meaning, I would think, a traditionalist. In fact, I rather like thinking of myself as a "free radical". LOL.
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Post by ltfred on Mar 30, 2009 5:43:23 GMT -5
Radical change is extreme change, and radicalism is the desire for extreme change. A radical is someone who works for said change. I think we can agree that governments are fairly enormous parts of our societies; to seriously change them or to abolish them is to radically change society. Which is fine: many, if not most worthwhile changes in society were radical.
Radicalism is not a bad thing: some things in society need to be absolutely changed. I'm a radical. I'm also an anarchist, or at least a libertarian socialist, too. I, however, consdier 'anarcho'-capitalists nuts.
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Post by rookie on Mar 31, 2009 12:29:28 GMT -5
If it helps, I am fairly conservative on MOST issues. Not all, but most. And I have never felt anything other than welcome. And, maybe it's just simple delusion, I like to think I am pretty well respected here.
Side note, I am no longer the resident republican. Shortly after the election, I changed my party affiliation. If my party is going to have nut-jobs and wackos, then I will be an independent who is supposed to be made up of nut-jobs and wackos.
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Post by gotpwnt on Apr 22, 2009 14:38:50 GMT -5
If it helps, I am fairly conservative on MOST issues. Not all, but most. And I have never felt anything other than welcome. And, maybe it's just simple delusion, I like to think I am pretty well respected here. Well your karma is +2.
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Post by vesper on Apr 28, 2009 0:21:02 GMT -5
This thread almost makes me want to play devil's advocate. I believe there are secular, logical arguments to almost any social conservative view.
This does make me wonder if somebody were to constantly push the issues with valid points, knowing that the majority view is much more liberal, how would this person fair?
I know a couple of people have said they are relatively conservative, but are there any real and active conservative voices (who are trolls or idiots) on these boards? If not should we try and find some?
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karl
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Post by karl on Apr 29, 2009 16:42:43 GMT -5
Oh for fucks sake can we for once have a sensible discussion with does not centre around the childish and underdeveloped politics of the good ole US of A. I am sick to the back teeth with people who think the the most radical and left leaning thought you can have is that maybe there should be a public health system. It pisses me off and cause me to rant.
And for the record here in England your conservative party would be The British National Party:- who are basically neo-nazis Your liberal party would be our conservative party. and thats it you don't appear to have any other political parties as far as I can see.
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