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Post by Lady Renae on Mar 11, 2009 13:26:43 GMT -5
Ok, I should have worded it a little differently. I was not just talking about the throwing of the rocks, but the whole set of behaviors. Yes, that should have been clarified. As for the assumption, I was basing it on the use of the word "spontaneous" and its context. If such an assumption is indeed unwarranted, I apologize. |
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Post by Death on Mar 11, 2009 13:35:12 GMT -5
Ok, I should have worded it a little differently. I was not just talking about the throwing of the rocks, but the whole set of behaviors. Yes, that should have been clarified. As for the assumption, I was basing it on the use of the word "spontaneous" and its context. If such an assumption is indeed unwarranted, I apologize. It's science. No one has to apologise. :kiss: |
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Post by ironbite on Mar 11, 2009 14:16:32 GMT -5
How exactly are the qualifiers bad? If he doesn't know for certain, then he shouldn't say with certainty. Using "think", "might", and "probably" is the appropriate terminology here. Agreed. Another thing to consider is if Santino is a fluke in that something external clued him in or if other chimps also premeditate their actions. Cite your souces and give me some examples. Ironbite-cause that statement makes NO FUCKING SENSE WHATSOEVER! |
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 11, 2009 14:40:12 GMT -5
So...Where is he observing these behaviours, then?
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Post by Death on Mar 11, 2009 15:14:34 GMT -5
So...Where is he observing these behaviours, then? You keep assuming that Santini needs to have observed a behaviour before he can perform it. |
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Post by Old Viking on Mar 11, 2009 15:38:16 GMT -5
This thread is as exciting as those in which -- reacting to a fundy provocation -- we all cite how high our IQ's are.
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 11, 2009 15:48:47 GMT -5
This thread is as exciting as those in which -- reacting to a fundy provocation -- we all cite how high our IQ's are. QFT OV, that is why us old farts have to stick together! OV - hmmm - my favourite draft beer at the local bar - Old Vienna. |
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Post by Death on Mar 11, 2009 16:01:22 GMT -5
I take umbrage at that.
This gal likes draught guinness.
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Post by caretaker on Mar 11, 2009 16:03:00 GMT -5
So...Where is he observing these behaviours, then? You keep assuming that Santini needs to have observed a behaviour before he can perform it. Just sticking my nose in because I think there's a misunderstanding there - Schizophonic was asking that question of Skyfire because she disagrees with the idea that Santini may be merely mimicking something he's seen. In other news, I'm slightly amused that Santini is displaying this excellently complex behaviour, yet hasn't really mastered the fine art of the overarm throw. |
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Post by Death on Mar 11, 2009 16:18:29 GMT -5
You keep assuming that Santini needs to have observed a behaviour before he can perform it. Just sticking my nose in because I think there's a misunderstanding there - Schizophonic was asking that question of Skyfire because she disagrees with the idea that Santini may be merely mimicking something he's seen. In other news, I'm slightly amused that Santini is displaying this excellently complex behaviour, yet hasn't really mastered the fine art of the overarm throw. okey dokey |
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Post by Tiger on Mar 11, 2009 16:37:45 GMT -5
Ok, I have absolutely no idea why Julian is so angry. Could someone (particularly Julian) please elaborate?
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 11, 2009 19:16:28 GMT -5
So...Where is he observing these behaviours, then? You keep assuming that Santini needs to have observed a behaviour before he can perform it. No, I don't. I'm supposing that for the sake of the argument Sky was making about it being a fluke, that he picked it up somewhere. It's basically a "By you [Sky's] logic...." Statement than a statement of belief. I'm pretty sure we're both on the same side, in fact, as I was initially agreeing with you. |
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Post by deliciousdemon on Mar 11, 2009 22:02:33 GMT -5
I don't think any science has been done to prove any sort of speculation correct or incorrect. The article is very casual, there hasn't been any systematised attempt to acquire information about this particular chimpanzee.
In my opinion, that should be the next step. Find a PhD student or a postgrad and have them get to work!
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Post by Undecided on Mar 11, 2009 23:24:36 GMT -5
I don't think any science has been done to prove any sort of speculation correct or incorrect. The article is very casual, there hasn't been any systematised attempt to acquire information about this particular chimpanzee. In my opinion, that should be the next step. Find a PhD student or a postgrad and have them get to work! I agree with this. This phenomenon requires further study before reliable conclusions can be drawn. |
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Post by Death on Mar 12, 2009 3:44:25 GMT -5
There have been many studies of chimps in the wild. All this is pretty much known already.
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