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Post by CtraK on Mar 12, 2009 21:01:38 GMT -5
According to the PC 98% of this board is. I don't think it's a bad device - indeed, it is, as it claims, far better than a simple line of left and right - but I reckon I'm a fair bit more authoritarian than -5, which is where I tend to get placed. I doubt I'm economically -7 either.
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Post by dasfuchs on Mar 13, 2009 3:38:05 GMT -5
The irony. I posted about this on the other board. Got a threat. lol Let me guess, was it a republican and/or christian board? It amazes me for a party that whines so much anymore about their rights being trampled somehow that they don't notice things like the patriot act or this nutjob.
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 13, 2009 9:35:16 GMT -5
It is time to tone down the rhetoric though. The Republicans have fed this insanity for 3 decades, so it's going to take some time. I haven't heard a left-leaning person advocate armed revolution since 1973, though. By wrapping themselves in the flag AND religion, they have done the country a great disservice, polarizing and legitimizing divisiveness. Divisiveness isn't the problem. Democrats and Republicans are allowed to disagree, Democrats are allowed to shout at Republicans and call them names, Republicans can do the same. Both parties don't actually have to agree on everything, or even anything: that is, in fact, usually a good thing. But personalities on radio/TV/print DO NOT get to advocate murder, have it carried out and then walk away scot-free. Rush Limbaugh should be in the dock right now, alongside Anne Coulter. Fred, that's not what I meant by "divisiveness". Since 1980, or a bit before, the religious right joined the Republican cause in an overt manner. This unholy alliance has led to fundyland equating religious belief in Christianity to supporting Republicans. It has been shouted from the pulpits, from the mega-church TV broadcasts and fostered by the Republicans. The GOP has used the regligious right to paint their opposition as evil and ungodly, and those people bought into that thinking. Much of the hate and vitriol against "liberals" is a direct result of this unholy alliance. It is a natural progression for the Republican "base" (code-word for the religious right) to view any victory by the Democrats as a victory for Satan. At this point, all logical, rational thought becomes moot, since the premise is irrational. The religious right has been manipulated by the Republicans, and their allies in the Christian community. It was MEANT to foment hatred and vitriol. A hundred thousand, religiously motivated zealots can do wonders during an election. They have now had a generation of this vitriol spewed at them by their religious leaders. This is the divisiveness that I referred to. It is little wonder that they're panicked and afraid. They've been conditioned to it for 35 years, and are taught that it is ungodly to not toe the party line. It is a frightening state that America finds herself in. One side votes for rationality and reason, and the other is driven by hatred of rationality and reason. Extremism is a natural consequence of this effort. The Republicans chose to use the Religious Right (who thought they were controlling things) for this very purpose, in order to secure a 20-25 percent electoral "base" to build on. This sort of divisiveness is dangerous, because it is wrapped in religion, personal beliefs that have been hijacked by a political party that panders to people's natural fear of change and combines it with those very religious beliefs. The normal give and take between Republicans and Democrats, the agreement to disagree, has had religion thrown into the mix, purposely. The rational process of chosing what is best for the country and the individual has been corrupted, so that one must now (if you're religious) take a person's religious beliefs into account when voting. If your religious leaders make it seem that to not support the party of the religious right as sinful, it becomes impossible to vote rationally. That is what I meant by the divisiveness that the Republicans created.
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Post by Death on Mar 13, 2009 10:03:21 GMT -5
The irony. I posted about this on the other board. Got a threat. lol Let me guess, was it a republican and/or christian board? It amazes me for a party that whines so much anymore about their rights being trampled somehow that they don't notice things like the patriot act or this nutjob. To echo Jon, is there a difference?
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Post by pdc1987 on Mar 16, 2009 20:07:43 GMT -5
Divisiveness isn't the problem. Democrats and Republicans are allowed to disagree, Democrats are allowed to shout at Republicans and call them names, Republicans can do the same. Both parties don't actually have to agree on everything, or even anything: that is, in fact, usually a good thing. But personalities on radio/TV/print DO NOT get to advocate murder, have it carried out and then walk away scot-free. Rush Limbaugh should be in the dock right now, alongside Anne Coulter. Especially after they try to blame tragedies like Columbine on video games. Right after the V-Tech shooting Glenn Beck kept bitching about Rosie O'Donnell and pro-gun control people on his show. He then had a conservative activist woman on who stared bitching how movies like 'Grindhouse' make kids violent. It pissed me off so much. And he wasn't even on Fux News yet!
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