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Post by Lady Renae on Sept 1, 2009 20:40:12 GMT -5
ETA: This has nothing to do with trolls. This is ENTIRELY about the quotes themselves. Nobody (that I know of) who is in favor of this is even for a second thinking about the trolls when they make their decision. If trolls were a reason to get rid of a section, we may as well shut down the entire site. Nobody is thinking of the trolls. Please focus on the QUOTES, not the comments people make about them, when making your vote and your reasoning.
Thank you.
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There has been discussion both in the IRC and elsewhere about whether or not RSTDT serves any purpose other than to infuriate the populace. Some have even expressed that they would believe the site to be better off without the section in its entirety. I decided it would be wise before talking with the Mods about whether we should do anything or not to first gather public opinion on the matter.
What do you guys think?
Please give a reason for your opinion instead of just voting, especially if you have a more complicated idea than just letting it be as it is or removing it from the site. Voting and giving your reasoning is more important than just voting.
If you change your mind, you can change your vote.
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Post by sugarfreejazz on Sept 1, 2009 20:43:41 GMT -5
Yes. It's never funny and seems to be a rather large racist troll magnet. Instead of joking around, comment sections erupt into a flame fest.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Sept 1, 2009 20:47:46 GMT -5
It's my personal opinion that FSTDT should just be FSTDT. Conspiracies can go in there. Racist things too, if they fit into the whole "darndest" thing, but to tell the honest truth, the vast majority of RSTDT is just, "Holy shit. I think I need eye bleach & a hug after reading that level of ignorant redneck rage."
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Post by Hades on Sept 1, 2009 20:47:59 GMT -5
I could count the number of times I've dipped into the RSTDT section over the last 11 months on one hand. The fundie section is good for laughs, facepalms, and occasionally, popped veins. But the racist section has never made me laugh once, just popped veins.
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Post by Lady Renae on Sept 1, 2009 20:52:01 GMT -5
I don't think I entirely understood what you were saying there... could you elaborate please, deadpandoubter?
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 1, 2009 20:52:03 GMT -5
No. The whole point is to show how stupid and hateful people can be. If anything the problem is what quotes are getting in. I don't think it should be enough that some idiot goes on a bigoted rant using every slur in the book. The quotes should be stuff that is out of bigoted norm.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Sept 1, 2009 20:54:39 GMT -5
Just because racist trolls can infest a section of the site doesn't warrant a shut-down of that particular section though. If fundamentalists infested FSTDT that wouldn't mean we'd shut that down, we'd just ban the trolls.
Secondly, I find RSTDT and FSTDT equally funny/infuriating at times. The only one that kinda bores me is CTSTDT. Of course this is just going by what I personally find amusing.
Third, if we put CTSTDT and RSTDT into FSTDT we'd get even more people saying stupid things like, "Not fundie" or "Where's the religion/fundie in this quote? I don't see it." That's more annoying to me than racist trolls....
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Sept 1, 2009 20:57:04 GMT -5
DevilsChaplain: The only thing we can do about that is clarify the meaning of Fundie. It's a shame that people don't pay attention, but how is it any more annoying than people saying, "We should have an XSTDT division!" all of the time?
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Post by sugarfreejazz on Sept 1, 2009 21:05:32 GMT -5
Fstdt isn't about showing how hateful people are, it's supposed to be funny. Otherwise it would be fundies say the most hateful, bigoted, fucked-up things.
The point is to be amusing not rage inducing.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Sept 1, 2009 21:07:20 GMT -5
I vote no. I just don't see how the site would be better without it. I'm not saying RSTDT is integral to our continued existence, but it serves its purpose: a place to keep racist quotes, which some want to submit and/or comment on. Remove it, and how does that benefit us? We lose some of our audience (possibly), we get much more racist crap on FSTDT or maybe CTSTDT, where it does not belong and those that don't want to see it get it mixed with what they do want to see.
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Post by sugarfreejazz on Sept 1, 2009 21:09:06 GMT -5
The point is to be amusing not rage inducing. Then that invalidates at least half of all FSTDT quotes. hardly "im christian if we came from apes how come were not hairy and have a big mouth and did we end up looking like we do know and besides there isnt any serious proof of apes they showd a video saying an ape was wondering around in the forest that thing looked exactly like a costume that i had saw at a store know one ever cought an ape " hilarious and no rage edit: I deleted the rest of my post. There are plenty of quotes in which the sole purpose isn't to piss the hell out of people. It's really easy to find hateful BS, and it's not all that amusing or impressive. If I want to be mad, I'll read the news, but this is an entertainment site after all.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Sept 1, 2009 21:10:41 GMT -5
And racism/conspiracy theories have a habit of intertwining with Fundieness anyway, so I fail to see how it doesn't belong.
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Post by Lady Renae on Sept 1, 2009 21:16:25 GMT -5
The point is to be amusing not rage inducing. Then that invalidates at least half of all FSTDT quotes. I personally don't see how this is a bad thing. As I said in the IRC, we don't absolutely need to be getting 15 or so new quotes every day on the mainpage. Getting 3-5 good quotes every day is in my opinion as a user (not as a mod, please keep in mind I can be both) much better than getting 15 so-so and/or crappy quotes every day with the occasional few that are actually good. Why not just keep it down to the actually good ones? Why is quantity so important? What's wrong with focusing on quality instead? I vote no. I just don't see how the site would be better without it. I'm not saying RSTDT is integral to our continued existence, but it serves its purpose: a place to keep racist quotes, which some want to submit and/or comment on. Remove it, and how does that benefit us? We lose some of our audience (possibly), we get much more racist crap on FSTDT or maybe CTSTDT, where it does not belong and those that don't want to see it get it mixed with what they do want to see. They'd only get mixed in if the people with PubAd permissions failed to do their jobs properly. We have a filtering system for a reason. Granted, it isn't working as well as it should, but there are systems to be implemented along the line that should significantly reduce the clutter and the number of bad quotes that make it through. Distind and I are working on some things.
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Post by RavynousHunter on Sept 1, 2009 21:18:16 GMT -5
No.
Simply put, it keeps things organized. While, many times, racism and fundamentalism are entwined, there are times when the racism of a quote far exceeds the religiosity, in which case, RSTDT serves its purpose nicely. RSTDT has its own niche, a niche I feel it fills excellently.
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Post by Lady Renae on Sept 1, 2009 21:20:41 GMT -5
May I ask a question? Why do we need to have a racism section at all?
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