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Post by rebelliousscot on Mar 13, 2009 14:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by antichrist on Mar 13, 2009 14:27:49 GMT -5
Because the Taser has worked out so well.
Sorry, but when they had the gun they at least thought twice before assaulting a civilian. Now you can get Tasered for just arguing about a traffic stop.
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Post by caretaker on Mar 13, 2009 14:33:31 GMT -5
How's it different from a taser? And how come tasers are suddenly not painful/distant enough? And how come the news sites haven't covered the story? D:
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Post by Mira on Mar 13, 2009 16:33:51 GMT -5
I am all for non-lethal weapon technology, but isn't the goal to incapacitate the suspect and not torture them?
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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 13, 2009 18:21:24 GMT -5
Ideally, incapacitation is the goal. I wish they had some sort of sleep gun instead of a torture ray. Wouldn't that be awesome?
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Post by gotpwnt on Mar 13, 2009 22:55:28 GMT -5
Wording's a bit misleading, but that doesn't really matter. If given the choice between this and the rubber bullets... I think I'm gonna go with pain ray, that being said I wish they had something a bit more on the side of knocking someone out rather than the side of hurt them till they stop what they are doing.
Also, there is no such thing as a "Non-Lethal" weapon. All are lethal under certain circumstances.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 13, 2009 23:50:22 GMT -5
Well, setting aside the screwiness of infowars.com and Alex Jones, the thought of a "pain ray" is pretty frightening. As if cops need more weapons.
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Post by ausador on Mar 14, 2009 4:41:25 GMT -5
Well what the army version does is use microwaves to excite the molecules in the skin surface, they say it "feels" like every square inch of skin facing the ray emitter is suddenly at 130 degrees fahrenheit. I've seen video where test subjects in an open field tried to stand up to it...they broke and ran in a second flat, so apparently it is quite unpleasent.
The good news is that the beam path is pretty narrow so one simply has to run left or right a short distance to exit the beam. (provided they aren't tracking you with the damn thing) As with practically anything else whether it is a good thing or bad depends on how it is used, that we will have to wait and see...
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Besides which it can be blocked by foilized clothing and metallized face sheilding...maybe the protesters of the near future while all be wearing silver track suits and welding masks, plus a tin foil hat of course. ;D
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Hmmm...I wonder if it's too late to patent "Ray proof protest clothing".
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Post by ltfred on Mar 14, 2009 5:25:35 GMT -5
Wording's a bit misleading, but that doesn't really matter. If given the choice between this and the rubber bullets... I think I'm gonna go with pain ray, that being said I wish they had something a bit more on the side of knocking someone out rather than the side of hurt them till they stop what they are doing. The thing is, the choice isn't between being shot by a gun and by a taser. For instance cops usually don't use tasers in situations where they used to use guns- they're short range, single shot, less accurate ect. Cops use tasers is situations where normally they would have just done nothing: already mentioned is the traffic stop; if you piss off cops they will shoot you full of electricity. Also, they might use it if you are running away, or if you piss them off, or if they just want to. And it can cause death, so it's not like anyone's safer. This 'toture ray' is goign to be exactly the same. Cops can defend themselves already, they can stop crowds getting violent and they can brutilise innocent people. Why make them better at it and legally? What cops need is a means of defending themselves. They've got that: a gun. Also, there is no such thing as a "Non-Lethal" weapon. All are lethal under certain circumstances. Tell that to the police force. In fact, tell that to taser, who have repeatedly sued coroners who find that their product causes death. In their opinion, it's just a harmless toy that you can use to torture hippies without leaving a mark.
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Post by gotpwnt on Mar 14, 2009 9:31:59 GMT -5
Wording's a bit misleading, but that doesn't really matter. If given the choice between this and the rubber bullets... I think I'm gonna go with pain ray, that being said I wish they had something a bit more on the side of knocking someone out rather than the side of hurt them till they stop what they are doing. The thing is, the choice isn't between being shot by a gun and by a taser. For instance cops usually don't use tasers in situations where they used to use guns- they're short range, single shot, less accurate ect. Cops use tasers is situations where normally they would have just done nothing: already mentioned is the traffic stop; if you piss off cops they will shoot you full of electricity. Also, they might use it if you are running away, or if you piss them off, or if they just want to. And it can cause death, so it's not like anyone's safer. This 'toture ray' is goign to be exactly the same. Cops can defend themselves already, they can stop crowds getting violent and they can brutilise innocent people. Why make them better at it and legally? What cops need is a means of defending themselves. They've got that: a gun. Also, there is no such thing as a "Non-Lethal" weapon. All are lethal under certain circumstances. Tell that to the police force. In fact, tell that to taser, who have repeatedly sued coroners who find that their product causes death. In their opinion, it's just a harmless toy that you can use to torture hippies without leaving a mark. 1 point: You seem to have problem understanding me. 2 point: See above.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 14, 2009 11:02:22 GMT -5
The thing is, the choice isn't between being shot by a gun and by a taser. For instance cops usually don't use tasers in situations where they used to use guns- they're short range, single shot, less accurate ect. Cops use tasers is situations where normally they would have just done nothing: already mentioned is the traffic stop; if you piss off cops they will shoot you full of electricity. Also, they might use it if you are running away, or if you piss them off, or if they just want to. And it can cause death, so it's not like anyone's safer. Police use tasers in situations in which they at one time would use physical force, like a billy club. Or in situations in which they would use pepper spray. They don't use them if they are pissed off at you, they use them when you don't listen to there instructions. ....adn if they can do it without killing someone that is better. Citation Needed.
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Post by malicious_bloke on Mar 14, 2009 14:59:57 GMT -5
There have been reports of Tasers causing heart attacks in subjects. Plus, people with pacemakers etc don't exactly wear labels on them, do they?
If this new device is what I think it is, it only really affects the skin. It's immensely painful but not intrinsically harmful AFAIK
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Post by ltfred on Mar 14, 2009 22:34:23 GMT -5
The thing is, the choice isn't between being shot by a gun and by a taser. For instance cops usually don't use tasers in situations where they used to use guns- they're short range, single shot, less accurate ect. Cops use tasers is situations where normally they would have just done nothing: already mentioned is the traffic stop; if you piss off cops they will shoot you full of electricity. Also, they might use it if you are running away, or if you piss them off, or if they just want to. And it can cause death, so it's not like anyone's safer. They don't use them if they are pissed off at you, Of course they do. Look at the RNC. Cops will use physical force whenever and wherever they like. It's like in the 60s, except instead of long hair getting you a fist in the face, it's holding a flower. If we give them a way of doing it secretly and more dangerously than they're going to hurt more people, and more people will die. Holy shit, big mistake. A police officer opened fire (with his regular gun) on a prone, non-threatening suspect on a train station because he though he'd got out his taser. Question: what possible threat could the perp have presented? www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/04/BA0R153LGU.DTL&type=printableSeven police officers were threatened by a 52 year old woman who was asking them questions and later creaming in horror at being dragged up stairs by her hair, despite her previous knee injury (for asking said questions) at a football game. This required tasering. www.madison.com/tct/mad/latest/435786A mentally ill patient criminal was tasered repeatedly through the bars of his prison cell. Obviously he posed a great threat to the police who were totally unsafe behind the steel bars. digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/ok-so-what-by-digby-one-of-most.htmlAnother mentally ill patient, threatening multiple cops by speaking in a courtroom. Un consciousness did not prevent him posing a grave threat, requiring multiple deployment of several tasers. www.printnpost.com/articles/5741/1/Mentally-Disabled-Plaintiff-Tased-into-Unconsciousness-in-a-Salt-Lake-City-Courtroom/Page1.html"The number of in-custody sudden deaths rose dramatically during the first year California law enforcement agencies began using stun guns, raising questions about the safety of the devices, according to a new study at UCSF." digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/harmless-by-digby-number-of-in-custody.htmlAnd also "Amnesty International Canada has been calling for a suspension in the use of Tasers until studies can determine how they can be safely used." www.cbc.ca/news/background/tasers/Police use tasers not for defense, where the weapons have significant deficiencies like only one shot, short range, ect, but to enforce complience, and smetimes just for fun. And that means that they are more dangerous than the alternative, which is nothing, or pepper spray, or bruising which can provide evidence in a trial.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 14, 2009 23:12:36 GMT -5
So is the pain gun legit? I mean, I've seen Alex Jones make up and cite made up material before.
To be fair, that was BS. there was no reasonable way he would have confused the two, and last I saw, they couldn't even verify he was issued a Taser.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 15, 2009 1:52:15 GMT -5
That's really awesome. Pain ray would be freaking sweet.
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