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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 15, 2009 13:42:24 GMT -5
Of course they do. Look at the RNC. Cops will use physical force whenever and wherever they like. It's like in the 60s, except instead of long hair getting you a fist in the face, it's holding a flower. If we give them a way of doing it secretly and more dangerously than they're going to hurt more people, and more people will die. At the RNC you had a bunch of protesters that would not listen to what was being told of them. If the police tell you to move, move. Yes, some people have died from being tased. People have also died from being hit in the head. Shit like that happens if you are going to play johnny big dick with the police. I'm not saying that some police have not gone overboard before, but that if not anywhere near the norm. Not really because I was asking for citations on your claims that taser companies have sued medical examiners. The report states that the police were looking into if the officer meant to pull his taser, not that he had made the mistake. Also in other articles about the officer he has stated before he thought the victim was trying to pull a gun. The article is about her claim. Apparently she was sitting in an isle. Of course her claim will be that she did nothing wrong, I'm sure the police report will say other wise. Unless you were there we have only police reports and her claim. How many people have ever claimed they should have been arrested? Oviously the police should have smacked this guy around instead of trying the taser and other things to get him into a pad room for his safety. I can imagine the lawsuit had the police left him and he died from an infection, or ramming his head on the concrete floor. One taser in the lower back, but I give you this one seems iffy. The study also found that in the same period the frequency of suspect deaths involving the use of a firearm more than doubled from 6.66 per 100,000 arrests to 15.1. Perhaps more people are resisting arrest and being stupid. Ok, it is good they are looking at the studies. How does this support your assertions that police will use them when not needed? How would you have them enforce compliance? Just leave if a person will not obey them? Or perhaps move in a grab the person and risk getting hurt themselves?
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Post by perv on Mar 16, 2009 3:00:38 GMT -5
If the police tell you to move, move. No duh, the same applies to any band of thugs. Generally it's not a good idea to piss off people with guns, unless you have more guns or better guns. But that has absolutely no bearing on weather police use tazers appropriately. WRT the pain gun though, it's been around awhile, just never really put into use. From what I've heard it sounds like it might be preferably to traditional riot control methods like rubber bullets and tear gas. I've heard it described as feeling like a splash scalding water, but unlike the methods above the effect ends as soon as you're out of the beam. Of course the there's always the concern that having a safer weapon could just mean they use force more instead of using other force less.
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Post by Furlong on Mar 16, 2009 8:40:39 GMT -5
My question is where are they going to put this? Officers already carry a sidearm, baton, flashlight, radio, handcuffs, additional ammo for the sidearm, OC Spray, and in some departments, a tazer.
There's no freakin' room left for more equipment!
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 16, 2009 9:06:42 GMT -5
No duh, the same applies to any band of thugs. ...because the police are just a bunch of thugs.........WTF!
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Post by perv on Mar 17, 2009 2:29:19 GMT -5
My question is where are they going to put this? Officers already carry a sidearm, baton, flashlight, radio, handcuffs, additional ammo for the sidearm, OC Spray, and in some departments, a tazer. There's no freakin' room left for more equipment! Considering the current version is truck-mounted, I imagine even the new improved model will be quite bulky. My guess is that at least initially they would only be carried as part of riot gear, not just any old time. ...because the police are just a bunch of thugs.........WTF! So you noticed too, huh?
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Post by antichrist on Mar 17, 2009 16:16:20 GMT -5
Citation Needed? www.rcmpwatch.com/?s=taserGo into the archives on that page. They're ridiculous, they lie, they hide behind the blue wall and their union, they can kill someone and not be charged. The man was armed with a fucking stapler! He deserved to die for being a pissed off foreigner in an airport?
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Post by antichrist on Mar 17, 2009 16:17:46 GMT -5
No duh, the same applies to any band of thugs. ...because the police are just a bunch of thugs.........WTF! Yeah they are. Except they're the thugs who are above the law. I put cops in the same class as I put hookers, drug dealers and pimps.
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Post by perv on Mar 18, 2009 4:55:01 GMT -5
What do you have against hookers and drug dealers?
To be fair I never actually said police are just a bunch of thugs. I said that if you're given an order by a group of people with weapons it would be wise to comply, whether they're cops of just a bunch of thugs. Though I assure you that the implication that they behave similarly was not unintentional.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 18, 2009 13:25:12 GMT -5
Citation Needed? www.rcmpwatch.com/?s=taserGo into the archives on that page. They're ridiculous, they lie, they hide behind the blue wall and their union, they can kill someone and not be charged. The man was armed with a fucking stapler! He deserved to die for being a pissed off foreigner in an airport? No he did not deserve to die, that is not what the cops were trying to do. If you start throwing furniture and then pick up anything any look like you are going to go after someone you deserve to get tased. Don't act like an ass. Perhaps they should have let this guy assault someone, or get a hit in on one of them so that cop could go home from doing his job with a staple in his head. Yeah they are. Except they're the thugs who are above the law. I put cops in the same class as I put hookers, drug dealers and pimps. Well isn't that good for you. Make sure you never call them if you need them.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 18, 2009 13:49:35 GMT -5
No he did not deserve to die, that is not what the cops were trying to do. If you start throwing furniture and then pick up anything any look like you are going to go after someone you deserve to get tased. Don't act like an ass. Perhaps they should have let this guy assault someone, or get a hit in on one of them so that cop could go home from doing his job with a staple in his head. They tasered him 5 fucking times, in the chest. Nobody thought to get a fucking translator did they. Well isn't that good for you. Make sure you never call them if you need them. The only time I call a cop is when I need to make an insurance claim. And that's only because the insurance companies demand it. I find them useless. When someone was stealing my neighbours car it took 15 minutes for a response (the neighbour was on the phone giving a detailed description of what was going on). The thieves were long gone by then. My neighbours and I used to call them when my ex beat the shit out of me, but they just told me to quit pissing him off. In fact they refused to help me leave the house to go to a battered womens shelter. If I was raped or assulted I doubt they'd do anything more than take a report and tell me how they can't do anything to help me. So no I don't call the cops. This is why I train protection dogs.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 18, 2009 14:11:35 GMT -5
[quote author=antichrist board=st thread=254 post=8893 time=1237402175They tasered him 5 fucking times, in the chest. Nobody thought to get a fucking translator did they.[/quote]Police pointing things that look like guns at you is pretty universally understood as "calm the fuck down".
15 minutes is pretty good time in most places. You have to be somewhat realistic.
It does sound like you had some pretty bad experience with the police in your area. I'm sorry to hear that. It does not mean that "all cops are alike". Nor does it mean they are useless, unless you like utter chaos.
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Post by pdc1987 on Mar 19, 2009 10:33:55 GMT -5
Citation Needed? www.rcmpwatch.com/?s=taserGo into the archives on that page. They're ridiculous, they lie, they hide behind the blue wall and their union, they can kill someone and not be charged. The man was armed with a fucking stapler! He deserved to die for being a pissed off foreigner in an airport? No he did not deserve to die, that is not what the cops were trying to do. If you start throwing furniture and then pick up anything any look like you are going to go after someone you deserve to get tased. Don't act like an ass. Perhaps they should have let this guy assault someone, or get a hit in on one of them so that cop could go home from doing his job with a staple in his head. Yeah they are. Except they're the thugs who are above the law. I put cops in the same class as I put hookers, drug dealers and pimps. Well isn't that good for you. Make sure you never call them if you need them. That's their JOB. What they get PAID to do. When people need help, they come. To serve and protect. Now, the problem is that doesn't give them the right to abuse their authority, but most of them do. Just as in any other profession, police officers should not automatically be put on a pedestal just because of their job title. It doesn't make them good people. I have a female co-worker named Jan, she is 48 and has 3 kids. Her oldest child is 23. His name is Danny and he has Autism, Downs Syndrome, and OCD. After the other, slightly younger kids were born, Jan's husband, a police officer, DUMPED her for another woman, and left her to raise the 3 kids by herself. Another co-worker of mine, a woman in her 50s named Nancy, has a son that is a police officer. He just dumped his wife for another woman, took the kids with him, and won't let Nancy see her grandkids because she doesn't like what he did. And are you honestly denying that the majority of police officers pursued the career because they have a fetish for expressing authority over people who can't question them? Police officers lie in court constantly, whenever it protects themselves, their departments, or helps the state's case. Seriously, just look at the Los Angeles Police Department for an obvious example.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 19, 2009 16:27:19 GMT -5
That's their JOB. What they get PAID to do. When people need help, they come. To serve and protect. Now, the problem is that doesn't give them the right to abuse their authority, but most of them do. Just as in any other profession, police officers should not automatically be put on a pedestal just because of their job title. It doesn't make them good people. I have a female co-worker named Jan, she is 48 and has 3 kids. Her oldest child is 23. His name is Danny and he has Autism, Downs Syndrome, and OCD. After the other, slightly younger kids were born, Jan's husband, a police officer, DUMPED her for another woman, and left her to raise the 3 kids by herself. Another co-worker of mine, a woman in her 50s named Nancy, has a son that is a police officer. He just dumped his wife for another woman, took the kids with him, and won't let Nancy see her grandkids because she doesn't like what he did. And are you honestly denying that the majority of police officers pursued the career because they have a fetish for expressing authority over people who can't question them? Police officers lie in court constantly, whenever it protects themselves, their departments, or helps the state's case. Seriously, just look at the Los Angeles Police Department for an obvious example. A police officer cheating and leaving his wife does not mean he abuses his power. It just means he is an ass in his social life. Yes, I'm denying that because it is complete and utter crap. I have known many police officers, state troopers and sherifts none of then had this grand authority complex. Lying in court all the time, we may be approching tin foil hat area. Do you have anything to back that up with?
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Post by pdc1987 on Mar 20, 2009 6:28:00 GMT -5
That's their JOB. What they get PAID to do. When people need help, they come. To serve and protect. Now, the problem is that doesn't give them the right to abuse their authority, but most of them do. Just as in any other profession, police officers should not automatically be put on a pedestal just because of their job title. It doesn't make them good people. I have a female co-worker named Jan, she is 48 and has 3 kids. Her oldest child is 23. His name is Danny and he has Autism, Downs Syndrome, and OCD. After the other, slightly younger kids were born, Jan's husband, a police officer, DUMPED her for another woman, and left her to raise the 3 kids by herself. Another co-worker of mine, a woman in her 50s named Nancy, has a son that is a police officer. He just dumped his wife for another woman, took the kids with him, and won't let Nancy see her grandkids because she doesn't like what he did. And are you honestly denying that the majority of police officers pursued the career because they have a fetish for expressing authority over people who can't question them? Police officers lie in court constantly, whenever it protects themselves, their departments, or helps the state's case. Seriously, just look at the Los Angeles Police Department for an obvious example. A police officer cheating and leaving his wife does not mean he abuses his power. It just means he is an ass in his social life. Yes, I'm denying that because it is complete and utter crap. I have known many police officers, state troopers and sherifts none of then had this grand authority complex. Lying in court all the time, we may be approching tin foil hat area. Do you have anything to back that up with? You've obviously never had to deal with the law, or had immediate family members that did. I'm not being forced into describing my own family's experience, especially when there are countless examples of police abusing their powers all over the country every day. Go watch clips from any news report or video show of cops pulling someone over, arresting them, etc. I grew up in a rich, mostly white suburb and the only cars I ever saw pulled over were cars with out-of-town black kids in them. I now have to live in a crappy, mostly black area and I've flat out seen cops get rough with, and scream at black men that were not resisting. It's not just a cliche. I honestly can't believe that someone thinks the majority of police officers resist the urge to take it a bit to far.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 20, 2009 8:23:07 GMT -5
You've obviously never had to deal with the law, or had immediate family members that did. I'm not being forced into describing my own family's experience, especially when there are countless examples of police abusing their powers all over the country every day. Go watch clips from any news report or video show of cops pulling someone over, arresting them, etc. I grew up in a rich, mostly white suburb and the only cars I ever saw pulled over were cars with out-of-town black kids in them. I now have to live in a crappy, mostly black area and I've flat out seen cops get rough with, and scream at black men that were not resisting. It's not just a cliche. I honestly can't believe that someone thinks the majority of police officers resist the urge to take it a bit to far. Guess what I have been forced to deal with the police. Two members of my familly have been arrested, my mom accused of shop lifting, and my bother for a DUI. Not the best times, but the police did nothing wrong in ether case. Of course my mom and brother were both smart enough not to argue with the officers that arrested them or tried to resist being put in the handcuffs. My mothers case was dismised before it ever got to a Judge by the DA because it was utter shit. My brother, well he will not be going to Canada any time soon, but now has other people drive when he is going to tie one on. ......and no nether case was it one of the officers we knew or the same agencies.
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