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Post by Vene on Mar 16, 2009 17:39:05 GMT -5
If it was up to me year one would be the year that the big bang occurred. Granted, it won't be a very user friendly calender.
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Post by perv on Mar 17, 2009 1:09:23 GMT -5
I was thinking we should start again from the beginning of the information age. Perhaps we could set it to the creation of ARPANET.
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Post by wmdkitty on Mar 17, 2009 2:44:52 GMT -5
Speaking of conspiracies, I've got a 12-Stepper on B-net who thinks that all the evidence showing AA, etc. actually HARMS the participants is some kind of conspiracy to keep the drunks... well, drunk. And this is *after* I proved (and provided several citations) that the 12-Step "program" is really a cult. (Google the Orange Papers, Stanton Peele, or 12 Step Cult)
::eyeroll::
And this guy even has the gall to keep posting stupid 12-Step slogans, and honestly believes that if he has even *one* drink, he'll die. (I naturally pointed out that it's perfectly possible to drink in moderation, but he went on and on about how I was "pushing" alcohol and that I "wanted [him] to drink and die". Fucking pathetic! Talk about BRAINWASHED!
In fact, the 12 Step Cult does *exactly* what an abusive spouse does. They tear you down, break your spirit and trash your self esteem, convince you that you're worthless, helpless, and weak, and then claim that they "help" you. That last being the equivalent of, after abusing a person, comforting them and promising that everything will change. (Which it doesn't.)
AA ACTUALLY KILLS PEOPLE -- members are utterly convinced that they're "powerless" over alcohol, they relapse, go on a real fucking bender, and end up dead.
Had they been taught that drinking IN MODERATION is okay, that you CAN have one drink (no more than two), and that they CHOOSE to drink to excess (and how to change that behavior rationally), they would have lived.
Others are so completely destroyed ("you're an addict", "you're helpless", "you have no power over [substance]", "[substance] is controlling you", "you're worthless and you NEED our 'help'") that they KILL THEMSELVES.
And still others who have simply gone from being "addicted" to alcohol/drugs to being 12-Step Zombies. Same "addictive" behavior, different "drug".
And then there's the 5% or so who actually quit drinking. Of course, that's the same "cure" rate as allowing "alcoholism" to run its course...
Why an otherwise reasonable person would deliberately ignore the evidence is beyond me, man.
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Post by Redhunter on Mar 17, 2009 4:17:26 GMT -5
Speaking of conspiracies, I've got a 12-Stepper on B-net who thinks that all the evidence showing AA, etc. actually HARMS the participants is some kind of conspiracy to keep the drunks... well, drunk. And this is *after* I proved (and provided several citations) that the 12-Step "program" is really a cult. (Google the Orange Papers, Stanton Peele, or 12 Step Cult) ::eyeroll:: And this guy even has the gall to keep posting stupid 12-Step slogans, and honestly believes that if he has even *one* drink, he'll die. (I naturally pointed out that it's perfectly possible to drink in moderation, but he went on and on about how I was "pushing" alcohol and that I "wanted [him] to drink and die". Fucking pathetic! Talk about BRAINWASHED! In fact, the 12 Step Cult does *exactly* what an abusive spouse does. They tear you down, break your spirit and trash your self esteem, convince you that you're worthless, helpless, and weak, and then claim that they "help" you. That last being the equivalent of, after abusing a person, comforting them and promising that everything will change. (Which it doesn't.) AA ACTUALLY KILLS PEOPLE -- members are utterly convinced that they're "powerless" over alcohol, they relapse, go on a real fucking bender, and end up dead. Had they been taught that drinking IN MODERATION is okay, that you CAN have one drink (no more than two), and that they CHOOSE to drink to excess (and how to change that behavior rationally), they would have lived. Others are so completely destroyed ("you're an addict", "you're helpless", "you have no power over [substance]", "[substance] is controlling you", "you're worthless and you NEED our 'help'") that they KILL THEMSELVES. And still others who have simply gone from being "addicted" to alcohol/drugs to being 12-Step Zombies. Same "addictive" behavior, different "drug". And then there's the 5% or so who actually quit drinking. Of course, that's the same "cure" rate as allowing "alcoholism" to run its course... Why an otherwise reasonable person would deliberately ignore the evidence is beyond me, man. This is an excellent read by the way. Love that thing. I have had AA shit pushed at me for many years. My ex's family is made up almost exclusively out of AA'ers. I've gone to more than a few meetings "just for the heck of it"... that means, they conned me into going with them because, "HEY! It couldn't hurt!" What a punch in the back of the head kind of insult that is... "I'm not saying you have a problem or are a drunk, but why don't you just come with me to an AA meeting, for FUN?" Who the fuck has EVER, and I mean EVER gone to one of those depressing as fuck meetings for anything but free coffee, court orders or to feel like shit? All they do is take their addiction/rage and turn it into addiction to coffee and smoking and still get pissed at the same shit they used to, only they don't have the booze to blame their actions on any longer. That's it! I always saw it as similar to what the armed service does, what abusive parents do and what abusive spouses do. The literature mentioned earlier also spells out how AA was intended to be a jesus cult thing. As if "Higher power" didn't give that away already. Just like religion I saw a lot of bullshit in that orginization very early on. In school they told us that we were alcoholics if we thought about drinking more than X many times a week. Or if we planned to drink. Or if we drank on weekends. Or on weekDAYS. Or if we drank with friends... or alone. Or if you had alcohol in your house most times. Or if you drank more than once a month. So, near as I can tell, if I go out to eat and order a drink, I'm a drunk. If I planned on going to a restaurant that served booze so that I could have a drink, I'm a drunk. If I call friends up and want to go to the bar? I'm a drunk. If I do that more than once a month, I'm a serious drunk. If I consume all the alcohol, I'm a drunk. But if there is some left over and I put it in my cabinet afterwards, I'm still a drunk. Pretty much sounds like a version of the list of sins that gets one condemned to hell in christianity, no? Anyway, that was a slight derail, but great topic. |
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Post by pdc1987 on Mar 17, 2009 14:22:31 GMT -5
After Sean won his Oscar this year all I heard from conservatives/bigots, and not just on the internet, was how he only won because " his character was a gay guy that got killed" and that "gay films are all crap by default and only get nominated/awarded because Hollywood likes fags."
I guess that's why Mel Gibson has an Oscar, and why... oh yeah, Brokeback Mountain and Milk didn't win the Best Picture award.
And why openly gay actors are not given lead roles in Hollywood blockbusters, or even average budget films for that matter.
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Post by wmdkitty on Mar 17, 2009 14:24:09 GMT -5
Speaking of conspiracies, I've got a 12-Stepper on B-net who thinks that all the evidence showing AA, etc. actually HARMS the participants is some kind of conspiracy to keep the drunks... well, drunk. And this is *after* I proved (and provided several citations) that the 12-Step "program" is really a cult. (Google the Orange Papers, Stanton Peele, or 12 Step Cult) ::eyeroll:: And this guy even has the gall to keep posting stupid 12-Step slogans, and honestly believes that if he has even *one* drink, he'll die. (I naturally pointed out that it's perfectly possible to drink in moderation, but he went on and on about how I was "pushing" alcohol and that I "wanted [him] to drink and die". Fucking pathetic! Talk about BRAINWASHED! In fact, the 12 Step Cult does *exactly* what an abusive spouse does. They tear you down, break your spirit and trash your self esteem, convince you that you're worthless, helpless, and weak, and then claim that they "help" you. That last being the equivalent of, after abusing a person, comforting them and promising that everything will change. (Which it doesn't.) AA ACTUALLY KILLS PEOPLE -- members are utterly convinced that they're "powerless" over alcohol, they relapse, go on a real fucking bender, and end up dead. Had they been taught that drinking IN MODERATION is okay, that you CAN have one drink (no more than two), and that they CHOOSE to drink to excess (and how to change that behavior rationally), they would have lived. Others are so completely destroyed ("you're an addict", "you're helpless", "you have no power over [substance]", "[substance] is controlling you", "you're worthless and you NEED our 'help'") that they KILL THEMSELVES. And still others who have simply gone from being "addicted" to alcohol/drugs to being 12-Step Zombies. Same "addictive" behavior, different "drug". And then there's the 5% or so who actually quit drinking. Of course, that's the same "cure" rate as allowing "alcoholism" to run its course... Why an otherwise reasonable person would deliberately ignore the evidence is beyond me, man. This is an excellent read by the way. Love that thing. I have had AA shit pushed at me for many years. My ex's family is made up almost exclusively out of AA'ers. I've gone to more than a few meetings "just for the heck of it"... that means, they conned me into going with them because, "HEY! It couldn't hurt!" What a punch in the back of the head kind of insult that is... "I'm not saying you have a problem or are a drunk, but why don't you just come with me to an AA meeting, for FUN?" Who the fuck has EVER, and I mean EVER gone to one of those depressing as fuck meetings for anything but free coffee, court orders or to feel like shit? All they do is take their addiction/rage and turn it into addiction to coffee and smoking and still get pissed at the same shit they used to, only they don't have the booze to blame their actions on any longer. That's it! I always saw it as similar to what the armed service does, what abusive parents do and what abusive spouses do. The literature mentioned earlier also spells out how AA was intended to be a jesus cult thing. As if "Higher power" didn't give that away already. Just like religion I saw a lot of bullshit in that orginization very early on. In school they told us that we were alcoholics if we thought about drinking more than X many times a week. Or if we planned to drink. Or if we drank on weekends. Or on weekDAYS. Or if we drank with friends... or alone. Or if you had alcohol in your house most times. Or if you drank more than once a month. So, near as I can tell, if I go out to eat and order a drink, I'm a drunk. If I planned on going to a restaurant that served booze so that I could have a drink, I'm a drunk. If I call friends up and want to go to the bar? I'm a drunk. If I do that more than once a month, I'm a serious drunk. If I consume all the alcohol, I'm a drunk. But if there is some left over and I put it in my cabinet afterwards, I'm still a drunk. Pretty much sounds like a version of the list of sins that gets one condemned to hell in christianity, no? Anyway, that was a slight derail, but great topic. Thx, it's been bothering me for a while. (No, I didn't mean to threadjack, I do believe that there is a conspiracy to push 12-Step "spirituality" on offenders, and this just might deserve its own thread.) Incidentally, I got blasted by this guy and a few others when I posted links to non-12-step recovery programs. Ugh. And the B-net staff is letting his degrading/insulting/condescending posts stay up, while at the same time if this "pweshus widdle snowflake" gets offended by sarcasm, my posts are deleted! TBH, I'm almost ready to walk away from B-net, considering how dickish most of the mods are. Crap. I derailed it again! SRY! Oh, I had a margarita last night, I must be a drunk! (Never mind that I rarely drink.) SRSLY, you're right, it's suspiciously similar to CATHOLIC doctrine, in that if you even *think* about doing something that's a "sin", you've sinned. (Hell, I've committed like, six sins in one go! I had sex with my (now ex) boyfriend, had the nerve to enjoy it, I'm on birth control, I thought it out beforehand...) <snark> And now, I'd like a drink... oh, wait, that makes me a DRUNK! </snark> |
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