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Post by Mira on Nov 11, 2009 21:10:34 GMT -5
Yeah, but they'll still mess up with the fittest part. Because fittest obviously must mean the ones with the most physical strength.
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Post by Tiger on Nov 11, 2009 21:15:30 GMT -5
I think that assumption mostly stems from the "survival" part. "Propagation" is less harsh.
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Post by Mira on Nov 11, 2009 21:24:16 GMT -5
Evilutionists really like their propaganda!
Sorry, just running through what the idiots would say.
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Post by Vene on Nov 11, 2009 21:30:48 GMT -5
Remember, kids (and adults), it's all about the sex. You win the game of evolution if you squirt out crotch spawn before you die. Bonus points for every extra kid.
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Post by SimSim on Nov 11, 2009 21:54:54 GMT -5
Bonus bonus points if your kids spit out spawn.
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Post by cagnazzo on Nov 12, 2009 0:07:51 GMT -5
Remember, kids (and adults), it's all about the sex. You win the game of evolution if you squirt out crotch spawn before you die. Bonus points for every extra kid. Technically, you win iff your kids squirt out the most. Man, something about this phrasing is disturbing me.
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Post by SimSim on Nov 12, 2009 16:23:44 GMT -5
*cough*Look at post above you*cough*
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Post by cagnazzo on Nov 12, 2009 21:02:33 GMT -5
*cough*Look at post above you*cough* Haha, I know. I meant, it's not actually bonus points. They're the real normal points. ...Man, screw this analogy.
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Post by SimSim on Nov 13, 2009 15:55:59 GMT -5
I know, I was just feeling a bit snarky. But were were both trying to emphasize the same point.
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Post by Mr. Turquoise on Nov 14, 2009 0:03:13 GMT -5
If I could just nitpick for a second...
Individuals never win the evolution game - it's all about the group. For the vast majority of organisms that have ever existed, life has very much been about taking one for the team.
Mr. Turquoise
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Post by SimSim on Nov 14, 2009 8:49:40 GMT -5
If I could just nitpick for a second... Individuals never win the evolution game - it's all about the group. For the vast majority of organisms that have ever existed, life has very much been about taking one for the team. Mr. Turquoise Not quite sure what you mean. Is the group at the species level, or are you talking about a group of individuals, a tribal band, for instance? As for taking one for the team, is that those individuals that have less advantageous or disadvantageous genes not reproducing or reproducing much less?
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Post by Mr. Turquoise on Nov 14, 2009 16:40:33 GMT -5
Not quite sure what you mean. Is the group at the species level, or are you talking about a group of individuals, a tribal band, for instance? All of the above. As individuals within any population reproduce, the characteristics of the group change - evolution specifically refers to that change within the group. And as advantageous traits become more common within a population over the course of generations, it is the population as a whole that benefits, not necessarily the individuals within that population. As for taking one for the team, is that those individuals that have less advantageous or disadvantageous genes not reproducing or reproducing much less? More the unfortunate individuals who end up with disadvantageous traits, as they need to be killed off before passing those traits on. But again, because an advantageous trait can only spread throughout a population over the course of generations, the individuals don't really win at all. The issue is that the term 'evolution', by definition, can only be applied to a group of organisms. So, if you want to use the 'game' metaphor, living long enough to reproduce certainly helps your team win, but because the game lasts multiple generations, you don't get to be around for the victory party. Evolution is the ultimate team sport. Mr. Turquoise
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Post by Vene on Nov 14, 2009 16:56:53 GMT -5
Mr. Turquoise, what's your thoughts on the gene centered view? Because it is very much not team centered and pure group selection would breed out traits like deceit whereas gene selection would keep them in, albeit at a low level.
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Post by SimSim on Nov 14, 2009 16:56:57 GMT -5
Aha. I see how you were applying the metaphor now, thanks.
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Post by Sleepy on Nov 14, 2009 21:19:42 GMT -5
Very good information, Vene. My biology class is covering DNA replication now. The professor also explained how mutations can occur in an easy, understandable manner. This is the example she gave, and each letter in the following sentence represents a nucleotide:
The cat ate the rat
If deletion occurs (say we delete the 'e' in the first 'the'), then something like this will occur:
Thc ata tet her at
The deletion of one nucleotide screwed up everything else. It'll cause a different sequence of amino acids.
Also, sorry if I sound like a moron. I'm just excited to learn that and understand it a bit. ^_^
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