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Post by skyfire on Mar 18, 2009 16:21:40 GMT -5
linkObama is pushing a plan that would require Veteran's Affairs to seek payment from third-party insurers for treatment of combat-related injuries, saying that by doing so he can save the department about $500 million a year. Veterans' groups are shooting back, claiming that the move will drive up the cost of being insured and make it harder for veterans with injuries to find employment in the private sector, especially in the present economy. They also say that Obama is threatening to violate a trust between the government and the military to where groups like the VA were supposed to be taking care of soldiers. A number of lawmakers - including some Democrats - have said that the bill will be DOA when it reaches Congress, but Rahm Emmanuel is still pushing it fairly hard on Obama's behalf. Looks like things just might hit the fan now...
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Post by ltfred on Mar 18, 2009 17:03:30 GMT -5
So, Obama's 'health insurance reform' is to privitise the only part that's working, until it doesn't?
Clever.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Mar 18, 2009 17:14:13 GMT -5
From the article:
I agree somewhat with the first sentence. I do think that there needs to be more emphasis on the pact the gov't makes with its veterans to take care of them in exchange for the service they provide. I somewhat agree with the second part of the quote above, because if a vet uses up their insurance allotment for the year, then the family is screwed if they have medical needs. I don't think it's a good idea try to privatize vet insurance when the health insurance system we have now is so fucked up to begin with.
But I also think it's important that Obama & his administration look at VA benefits and do some sort of overhaul, and I think Obama's plan here was to try to save some money, which is not necessarily a bad thing. VA services can be terrible. That definitely needs looked into and they need to put their own house in order, because otherwise to me it seems like they're just squawking about money going somewhere else.
When I read the title of this topic, I thought he was proposing some kind of veterinarian insurance for pets... ::blush::
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Post by Tiger on Mar 18, 2009 17:37:01 GMT -5
Not gonna happen. Dems in congress are moving to shut it down.
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Post by A. Sapien on Mar 18, 2009 20:37:34 GMT -5
www.vawatchdog.org/09/nf09/nfmar09/nf031209-1.htmDebunked. On top of that, Obama has vowed not to do this, after meeting with VA officials today. voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/03/18/obama_drops_controversial_thir.html?wprss=44So the shorter version is, someone in his administration sent a proposal in for review, the media got wind of it, and decided to claim that Obama was behind it. From the look of it, it never got to a point where the administration was 'for it'. Rather it was being reviewed. This whole circus that sprung up is ridiculous, it came up for review, and Obama talked to VA officials, to see what benefits or problems it would cause. The problems outweighed the benefits, it was scrapped. The scandal is imaginary. Again. What I really want to know, Sky, where you got the idea he was pushing this? It makes no such claim in the article you link to, and doesn't seem to exist in the realm of sanity. In fact the original article you linked to states: "White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said yesterday that the Obama administration has not made "the final . . . decision on third-party billing as it relates to service-related injuries."Which is a far cry from what you claimed. Now I apologize for coming off harsh here, and I've been doing my damnedest to outright avoid your topics, frankly. But I'm a bit tired of you jumping on every Obama story like some crazed weasel attempting to spin it into the destruction of his administration, especially since you seem incapable of doing even basic research on the news piece before you do so.
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Post by dasfuchs on Mar 18, 2009 21:15:01 GMT -5
Well, here's another myth that'll circle every fundie website till 2012
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Post by Paradox on Mar 18, 2009 21:15:20 GMT -5
He's not the only one who jumped on it, Jon Stewart mentioned it on the Daily Show yesterday. Apparently it had a lot of people concerned, myself included. I'm glad to see they're not going to implement it.
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Post by Angel Kaida on Mar 18, 2009 22:10:47 GMT -5
I do think that there needs to be more emphasis on the pact the gov't makes with its veterans to take care of them in exchange for the service they provide. But I also think it's important that Obama & his administration look at VA benefits and do some sort of overhaul, and I think Obama's plan here was to try to save some money, which is not necessarily a bad thing. VA services can be terrible. That definitely needs looked into and they need to put their own house in order, because otherwise to me it seems like they're just squawking about money going somewhere else. When I read the title of this topic, I thought he was proposing some kind of veterinarian insurance for pets... ::blush:: I agree with all of this, especially that last part, and don't have much to add.
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Post by A. Sapien on Mar 18, 2009 22:10:57 GMT -5
He's not the only one who jumped on it, Jon Stewart mentioned it on the Daily Show yesterday. Apparently it had a lot of people concerned, myself included. I'm glad to see they're not going to implement it. Well, of course, as I said the media trumped up a lot of this. I'm merely pointing out a pattern I've noticed that bothers me.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 18, 2009 22:14:58 GMT -5
People jumped on it because it was being considered. We are not use to a president that will at least listen to a proposal before rejecting is outright.
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Post by A. Sapien on Mar 18, 2009 22:39:29 GMT -5
People jumped on it because it was being considered. We are not use to a president that will at least listen to a proposal before rejecting is outright. You know what? That is a very fair point. I concede that.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 18, 2009 23:30:09 GMT -5
People jumped on it because it was being considered. We are not use to a president that will at least listen to a proposal before rejecting is outright. Wait...you mean Obama isn't someone who shoots from the hip but carefully considers all options before putting a plan into action? Even if it doesn't come from him? Are you saying we actually have...a leader? Ironbite-HAVE WE ENTERED BIZARRO WORLD!?
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 19, 2009 7:39:44 GMT -5
He's not the only one who jumped on it, Jon Stewart mentioned it on the Daily Show yesterday. Apparently it had a lot of people concerned, myself included. I'm glad to see they're not going to implement it. I just saw that about 20 minutes ago. A shame people are jumping on this.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 19, 2009 7:55:22 GMT -5
Ironbite-HAVE WE ENTERED BIZARRO WORLD!?
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Post by ltfred on Mar 19, 2009 17:49:29 GMT -5
I do think that there needs to be more emphasis on the pact the gov't makes with its veterans to take care of them in exchange for the service they provide. But I also think it's important that Obama & his administration look at VA benefits and do some sort of overhaul, and I think Obama's plan here was to try to save some money, which is not necessarily a bad thing. VA services can be terrible. That definitely needs looked into and they need to put their own house in order, because otherwise to me it seems like they're just squawking about money going somewhere else. When I read the title of this topic, I thought he was proposing some kind of veterinarian insurance for pets... ::blush:: I agree with all of this, especially that last part, and don't have much to add. Are mine eyes decieving me? A randroid that supports government-provided health insurance anything?
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