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Post by jarcenas on Mar 20, 2009 12:59:45 GMT -5
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Post by antichrist on Mar 20, 2009 13:09:55 GMT -5
Well our university has a creationist room set up. It's an embarrassment as far as I'm concerned. They ran a course under anthropology that sounded interesting at first. The title was "The evolution of Jesus". Here I thought it was going to be a course on how the idea of Jesus has changed over the years. It was a course proving the existence of Jesus because if he's just a myth, the story wouldn't still be around.
This is a provincially funded school, it shouldn't be allowed.
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Post by Khaine on Mar 20, 2009 13:39:24 GMT -5
It was a course proving the existence of Jesus because if he's just a myth, the story wouldn't still be around. Whenever I hear that arguement I start droping names like;Gilgamesh, Icarus, Theseus, Hercules, Jason, ...etc. All still with us and older the Jesus.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 20, 2009 13:56:31 GMT -5
It was a course proving the existence of Jesus because if he's just a myth, the story wouldn't still be around. Whenever I hear that arguement I start droping names like;Gilgamesh, Icarus, Theseus, Hercules, Jason, ...etc. All still with us and older the Jesus. But should it be a 3-credit course? I could understand a course discussing how the idea of Jesus evolved, that would be interesting. But to get 3 credits for singing "Jesus loves me" is just wrong, very wrong.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Mar 20, 2009 15:26:11 GMT -5
Wow, that is sad. Although it does make you wonder if what these kids learn in high school have any value at all.
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Post by Vene on Mar 20, 2009 17:50:58 GMT -5
I'm curious as to what they believed after they finished the course (including the differences between those who passed and failed). I would say I'd like to see the results for those who actually earn a bechelors in biology, but I already know that over 95% of biologists accept evolution (amazingly those who don't only don't due to religious dogma).
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 20, 2009 20:24:21 GMT -5
Well, if it was just an introductory biology class, I doubt it would radically shift the opinions of the students. My introductory Bio class didn't go into great detail about evolution and it wasn't a main focus of the course. I think we spent two weeks on it near the end of the semester and that was about it. Obviously, different schools--and even different professors--will be different, but I doubt an introductory class would really change the minds of the YEC and Creationist crowds.
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Post by Vene on Mar 20, 2009 20:49:14 GMT -5
True, but there are always the cultural creationists who don't realize that evolution is accepted biology and has actual evidence behind it. Those are the people who can be reached. Not the crowd that shrikes "THE BIBLE SAYS GOD DID IT! THAT SETTLES IT!"
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 20, 2009 22:22:30 GMT -5
There is that. And then, even a basic, broad overview of evolution like the one in my bio class would be enough to make some people think--particularly if they'd never been given any real information on evolution before. Some people have such a biased, skewed view of evolution and the sciences behind it because it's always been portrayed to them as this flimsy little cardboard cutout masquerading as science, and any real and serious information about it is sometimes enough to make them sit back and think.
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Post by Vene on Mar 20, 2009 22:35:21 GMT -5
I know that it works, I've seen it work firsthand. Through another forum I know a woman from North Carolina. She was a creationist, but only because she was Christian. She simply didn't know the science or much about science. Last fall she asked for an explanation of evolution and asked actual questions. Stuff like how it works, why we know it works, how do we know all life is related, and a timeline of transitional species. She was overwhelmed and found she couldn't deny it.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 20, 2009 22:44:23 GMT -5
At least that woman was curious and open-minded enough (even if it was JUST enough) to genuinely ask questions--and then had the sense to admit that there was no way to sanely deny it.
It's interesting that you're significantly more likely to find people who have 'de-converted' (for lack of a better word) from Creationism to accepting evolution upon being confronted with the evidence in science than you are to find people who have gone from accepting evolution to being a Creationist when confronted with their 'evidence'. It certainly says a lot about our position.
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Post by Paradox on Mar 21, 2009 12:17:45 GMT -5
There is that. And then, even a basic, broad overview of evolution like the one in my bio class would be enough to make some people think--particularly if they'd never been given any real information on evolution before. Some people have such a biased, skewed view of evolution and the sciences behind it because it's always been portrayed to them as this flimsy little cardboard cutout masquerading as science, and any real and serious information about it is sometimes enough to make them sit back and think. This is God's own truth my friend. I believed in Creationism because I was informed, by people in authority who I trusted, that Evolution had no scientific backing and Creationism did. They lied to me. Blatant, bald faced lies. Lies that I later found out to be the lies that they were. I almost quit religion over it altogether.
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Post by stormwarden on Mar 23, 2009 1:24:32 GMT -5
Add Osiris and Horus to the list.
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Post by wmdkitty on Apr 10, 2009 18:37:31 GMT -5
Add Osiris and Horus to the list. WTF? My keyboard is falling apart... I just lost the "key" part of my "enter" key. And, uh, Kali, Vishnu, Ganesha... (How the fuck do I fix this shit?!)
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Post by JonathanE on Apr 11, 2009 8:58:14 GMT -5
Add Osiris and Horus to the list. WTF? My keyboard is falling apart... I just lost the "key" part of my "enter" key. And, uh, Kali, Vishnu, Ganesha... (How the fuck do I fix this shit?!) Try a ball-peen hammer and 15 bucks for a new keyboard! ;D
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