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Post by mice34 on Mar 25, 2009 14:31:32 GMT -5
It's true. They like to argue everything by analogies. Really bad analogies (like evolution = car tires, watches ?!) because they have no idea what they're talking about.
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Post by ouabache on Mar 25, 2009 15:40:08 GMT -5
Short answer: Creationists are too stuck in their thinking that they literally cannot understand something like emergence.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 25, 2009 16:03:27 GMT -5
It's true. They like to argue everything by analogies. Really bad analogies (like evolution = car tires, watches ?!) because they have no idea what they're talking about. They also like to break down the arguments into little pieces, so that they can refute them without context. Never mind that some of them are still stupid (Like the "We have no evidence of evolution," despite the fact that evolution can be demonstrated in one lifetime), they do try and break things down into smaller chunks in hopes we can't connect the dots. Sadly, the slight of hand works on a lot of people like a Jedi mind trick.
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Post by gotpwnt on Mar 25, 2009 17:58:39 GMT -5
Short answer: Creationists are too stuck in their thinking that they literally cannot understand something like emergence. Not just that. These people don't WANT to except it. They have even stated that they will never except scientific proof because "...Christianity is based on faith in the holy word of the lord..." and that is the ONLY thing that they will ever except. As I said before, this isn't about science. I happen to know this for a fact because I USED to BE one of these fundy fucktards. However, unlike the rest of "my fellow Christians" I didn't like being proved wrong and getting my ass handed to me in debates and from early on in my childhood, I didn't like doing what I was told. As a result I ended up searching for answers on my own, and guess what I found? EVERYTHING I had been told to believe about ANYTHING at all was a big fucking lie. I have seen the "light" and it is indeed good. That light is knowledge. They, however, only wish to see the "darkness" and only want the rest of us blinded by it as well. The "darkness" is the ignorance and stupidity that these people want to have imposed on the entire world. It makes me sick!!!
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Post by gotpwnt on Mar 25, 2009 18:11:49 GMT -5
Ausador's image pretty much sums up Creationist 'logic'. They argue you in a circle until you get motion-sick and have to excuse yourself to throw up. (Or you can just throw up ON them.) Personally, I don't like the thought of being the little clockwork mouse of some omnipotent sociopathic 'god' with the apparent maturity of a toddler. Knowing that we ARE the product of evolution and many millions of years of mutations just seems so much cooler. That life as we know it could just as well not exist at all makes it all the more fascinating and wonderful. Aye!!!
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Post by Old Viking on Mar 25, 2009 18:34:33 GMT -5
I suggest there's an outside chance -- very, very slim -- that fundies are unaware that David Hume destroyed that argument in the 18th Century, and few people have taken it seriously ever since.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 25, 2009 18:40:39 GMT -5
I suggest there's an outside chance -- very, very slim -- that fundies are unaware that David Hume destroyed that argument in the 18th Century, and few people have taken it seriously ever since. But, see, that would require them to do some actual RESEARCH, rather than just taking the easy way out and parroting whatever their pastors tell them.
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Post by szaleniec on Mar 25, 2009 19:39:49 GMT -5
They never seem to give a mathematical definition of what they mean by complexity and a coherent argument for why it can never spontaneously increase. The closest they come is to invoke the second law of thermodynamics and associate it with the inverse of entropy (itself an imperfect analogy that's the result of teachers trying to define entropy in terms other than dS = dQ/T before statistical mechanics is covered) but this argument neglects the heat transfer associated with assembling the system.
An argument from thermodynamics that ignores heat transfer. The epic fail speaks for itself.
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Post by canadian mojo on Mar 25, 2009 21:19:25 GMT -5
The funny part is if you accept the arguement as being true. The universe is not only greater than we imagine, it is greater than we can imagine (I think I may have poached that from Carl Sagan) so anything that is capable of envisioning and creating the universe is way beyond us.
Now, try and explain how your car works, to a four year old. I think you find that you need to leave a fair bit of detail out so that they can even begin to grasp the concept. You may even have to resort to "because I told you so", "it just does", and "stop asking stupid questions" in order to do it.
Picture god trying to explain his creation to a bunch of semi-literate tribesmen as they write it down. That's all the bible is, if you even accept it as the truth to begin with. The religions of the world are just little kids running up to daddy exclaiming "look at the pretty picture I made of you".
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Post by wmdkitty on Mar 29, 2009 14:02:08 GMT -5
Here's hoping a Romero zombie comes up behind them and bites their collective ass off. Hey, now I know how to stop the zombie infestation! Feed them Fundies -- we get rid of the Fundies, the zombies starve to, uh, death (no brains). ::snicker::
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Post by MozMode on Mar 29, 2009 15:09:19 GMT -5
Ausador's image pretty much sums up Creationist 'logic'. They argue you in a circle until you get motion-sick and have to excuse yourself to throw up. (Or you can just throw up ON them.) Personally, I don't like the thought of being the little clockwork mouse of some omnipotent sociopathic 'god' with the apparent maturity of a toddler. Knowing that we ARE the product of evolution and many millions of years of mutations just seems so much cooler. That life as we know it could just as well not exist at all makes it all the more fascinating and wonderful. Isn't it though? As an Atheist, I find life and evolution so much more fascinating and wondrous than I ever did as a Xtian (I was one of these retards as well, for numerous years). Instead of feeling like just a puppet to some imaginery, twisted god, I feel like actually LIVING my life to the fullest, knowing I'm just a blip, just a short little burst in the history of our world. And knowing I can be gone at any time and that I won't be caught up in some "heaven" or "hell", that I'll just be....gone...done, dead, it makes me appreciate my time here all the more.
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