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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 24, 2009 21:09:53 GMT -5
Alright, as many of you have already read, Buzzardcunt did a list of "atheist arguments" (hell, you could've woven baskets from all the strawmen on that page!). Well, just for fun, what are your favorite anti-atheist arguments? Which ones do you think are the most idiotic, childish, nonsensical and/or ubiquitous amongst fundamentalist Christian/Muslim circles?
To start the thread off, I'd like to say my personal fav. is the classic "Dinesh D'Souza Body Count Method." This tactic draws attention away from the question of whether or not there is a god, and starts focusing on famous atheists such as Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, and Josef Stalin who have committed mass genocide. Then, the fundamentalist in question often throws in Hitler for good measure (even though Hitler was probably neither a Christian nor an atheist, but just some fucked-up theist). Next, the fundie will compare the body counts of these men to those of religious extremists and say, "See, our side may be bad, but we're not THAT bad!" and then try to say that these men "killed in the name of atheism." ;D
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Post by wackadoodle on Mar 24, 2009 21:23:15 GMT -5
Why bother arguing? Every single athiest is just a rebellious angsty teenager who will grow up and admit they believe in god.
^Thats the most annoying. Being treated like a goddamn child because I dont consider "I feel it in every fiber of my being" to be evidence.
Alright I had to edit in another, I cant prove he's not real. This has to be by far the most popular and the least intelligent argument, when asked to explain how thats any fucking different from the FSM or the invisible flying penguin they inevitably write me off as an angsthiest.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 24, 2009 21:24:28 GMT -5
My personal favourite is any permutation of, "Well, if you CLAIM you don't believe in god, then that means you acknowledge that god exists and you HAVE to believe in him not to believe in him! HAH!" I see that one used far more often than it should ever be.
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Post by Vene on Mar 24, 2009 21:27:19 GMT -5
That one being used once is too much. My head hurts just from reading it.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 24, 2009 21:28:32 GMT -5
Yeah. My IQ dropped twelve points just typing it.
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Post by mistermuncher on Mar 24, 2009 21:33:06 GMT -5
I must admit "You know God is real, and are just rebelling/lying/attention seeking" works for me every time. It's a whole world of stupid.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 24, 2009 21:39:38 GMT -5
I must admit "You know God is real, and are just rebelling/lying/attention seeking" works for me every time. It's a whole world of stupid. Ah, yes, the "You Just Don't Want to be Held Accountable Defense", gotta love that one ^_^
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Post by mistermuncher on Mar 24, 2009 21:41:10 GMT -5
The "Atheism is just (an excuse for) sociopathy" in all it's variants is intoxicating stupid, as well as telling you everything you need to know about the person making it.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 24, 2009 21:46:27 GMT -5
"If I did not believe in God I would go out and kill a bunch of people" argument is my favorite.
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Post by mistermuncher on Mar 24, 2009 21:53:08 GMT -5
It's truly hard to pick a favourite, I must confess.
Former fundie workmate (incidentally, possibly the biggest hypocrite I've met in me day to day) used to hit me up with occasional Ray Comfort "arguments" and "proofs", which rapidly turned into "just want to ignore god do whatever you want murderkillerbastard!!!" once Comfort's facile bullshit had been swatted away.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 24, 2009 21:56:13 GMT -5
Oh, I also love those arguments about how if their god didn't exist, then we'd all be moral-less monsters running around raping and pillaging and murdering. Which is the same argument that they use against evolution sometimes. If the only thing stopping someone from being a mass-murdering fuckhead is an imaginary sky-daddy, then I think they have waaayyy more problems than just having their head up their ass.
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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 24, 2009 21:59:07 GMT -5
Ray Comfort has some classics, yes, like his "the banana is the atheist's worst enemy" argument. Somewhere on Youtube, though, is somebody's reply about the pineapple being the theist's worst enemy. Tee hee.
Honestly, I would love to see an argument so compelling that I felt the need to convert. Can you imagine that? But since the first step would probably require viewing me as a person and the second step involve appealing to my intelligence, I don't hold out much hope.
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Post by mistermuncher on Mar 24, 2009 22:05:03 GMT -5
Aforementioned Fundie Fuckwit was a massive fan of Comfort's "No gold in China" prove-a-negative horseshit.
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Post by MozMode on Mar 24, 2009 22:08:45 GMT -5
My personal favourite is any permutation of, "Well, if you CLAIM you don't believe in god, then that means you acknowledge that god exists and you HAVE to believe in him not to believe in him! HAH!" I see that one used far more often than it should ever be. That one...that one right there is my favorite. Them saying that we truly just hate god for whatever past drama we've had and now, just say we no longer believe when in all reality, we just hate god. Ya no.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 24, 2009 22:13:43 GMT -5
I remember seeing that! It was hilarious. XD
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