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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 24, 2009 22:23:06 GMT -5
I remember seeing that! It was hilarious. XD
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Post by szaleniec on Mar 24, 2009 23:04:17 GMT -5
"If I did not believe in God I would go out and kill a bunch of people" argument is my favorite. That statement honestly and literally terrifies me. What if they have a crisis of faith? My personal favourite is any permutation of, "Well, if you CLAIM you don't believe in god, then that means you acknowledge that god exists and you HAVE to believe in him not to believe in him! HAH!" I see that one used far more often than it should ever be. The worst of that one is that they probably think they're being oh so clever, when really they're just demonstrating that they wouldn't know logic if it walked up in front of them with a ten-foot neon sign, shouting "I AM LOGIC" through a megaphone with airhorn accompaniment.
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Post by Redhunter on Mar 25, 2009 2:24:39 GMT -5
"If I did not believe in God I would go out and kill a bunch of people" argument is my favorite. That statement honestly and literally terrifies me. What if they have a crisis of faith? What is really scary is that they often say just that. I've heard fundies say, "I wish I could just turn my back on god so I could do whatever I wanted!" when it's obvious that those who have turned their back, haven't gone on kill sprees etc. They've said, "If I turned away from god I could kill and rape and do whatever crazy thing I wanted." WHAT? You WANT to do those things? And yes, exactly... what happens when/if a big crisis hits them and they suffer loss of family or something equally horrific? Take an uzi to the mall? Attack a kindergarten class? Anybody that close to doing something that terrible is a sick bastard, belief in god or not. On the OP, one of my fave tactics is when I try to explain to them that the word of god isn't new to me and that their little pandering intro into how "cool" jesus was is unnecessary. I know all the stories because I was a christian for many years. So they ask what has changed because they are looking for "anger" and "blame". They think I going to say, "I loved god, till he did 'X' to me, then I turned my back on him. I hate him now. hail satan." As if we are choosing sides in a football game or something. So when I explain there is not a "satan" in my life I simply don't believe in any of it, neither a god nor a satan, they say, "Well, then you were never REALLY a christian to begin with." and dismiss my entire life of following christianity. That's your christian arrogance right there. They are going to tell ME what I was doing and thinking for 20 years while going through the motions of being a christian. And really, who would know better about what is in my heart than the insulted proselytizer who doesn't have a better argument than, "Nuh-UH!"
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Post by Vypernight on Mar 25, 2009 7:12:32 GMT -5
Sounds like the moron on the Buddhist board who told me I'm not a real Buddhist because I didn't believe in literal rebirth (my exact words were that I don't know so I refuse to take sides, but I do believe in figurative rebirth.).
I thought I was going to get kicked off the boards for telling the prick off.
But yeah, the arrogance in ,"You're not this, you're this," thing annoys me to know end.
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Post by funkenstein on Mar 25, 2009 7:18:18 GMT -5
My favorite anti-atheism argument comes from my own dad.
"Atheism is a crock. It's just a bunch of ornery people too lazy to believe in God."
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Post by dasfuchs on Mar 25, 2009 9:21:04 GMT -5
Mine's special, I almost feel like I had a custom argument made. My friends knew i loved German culture and such and followed WWII history with a passion back when I was a churchgoer. After I kinda became an atheist they'd tell me "You've gotten into German history too much, they all learned that atheism was evil and Hitler tried to force it on them. Just join the rest of the world and quit living in evil history" Yeah, whatever, not even gonna waste the effort of telling you to foad and look up some of Hitler's ideals
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Post by Sigmaleph on Mar 25, 2009 10:08:10 GMT -5
My personal favourite is any permutation of, "Well, if you CLAIM you don't believe in god, then that means you acknowledge that god exists and you HAVE to believe in him not to believe in him! HAH!" I see that one used far more often than it should ever be. This. First, because it's such a fascinating perversion of logic one wonders what kind of brain could consider that valid. Second, because it's so bloody easy to change a couple of words and use it to prove anything. Then there's "Everyone HAS to believe in something, you just worship [God secretly/sin/Satan/science/sex/yourself/mankind/the FSM/Atheos]"No, fucktard, I'm the ungoddamned living proof that not everyone has to believe in a higher power. This one used to really piss me off, I find few things more insulting than Joe Moron that only knows me from a few words on a screen claiming with absolute certainty that they know my mind better than I do. I spent almost 19 years now inspecting my mind, I might be more informed about it than you, thank you very much. Asswipe. Pascal's Wager is third on the list, and then First Cause and Argument from Design. Any argument from morality, vague fuzzy feelings, association and consequences are next in no particular order.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 25, 2009 10:15:07 GMT -5
How about this old classic gem?
"I don't have to prove that god exists! YOU have to prove that he DOESN'T!"
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 25, 2009 10:37:55 GMT -5
How about this old classic gem? "I don't have to prove that god exists! YOU have to prove that he DOESN'T!" The "Pass the Buck Defense", very nice. (Psst, can I join The Cult of the Great Goddess Caitshidhe? )
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 25, 2009 10:44:50 GMT -5
The burden of proof is just too heavy for them to hold up, the poor dears. Maybe one day we'll get lucky and they'll all be crushed to death under it and we won't have to put up with them or their crap ever again.
(Sure, you can join the cult--except it's not really a cult yet and as far as I know there are only a few members.)
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Post by szaleniec on Mar 25, 2009 10:47:03 GMT -5
After I kinda became an atheist they'd tell me "You've gotten into German history too much, they all learned that atheism was evil and Hitler tried to force it on them. Just join the rest of the world and quit living in evil history" Yeah, whatever, not even gonna waste the effort of telling you to foad and look up some of Hitler's ideals Never a good idea to pull a Godwin on someone who's actually familiar with real WWII history. Seen it happen a few times on message boards (though not in the specific way it did in your case) to the embarrassment of the Godwiner and the amusement of everyone else.
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Post by Julian on Mar 25, 2009 11:29:03 GMT -5
How come we don't speak monkey.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 25, 2009 11:33:07 GMT -5
That one is used to argue against evolution, not against atheism. It's one of my 'favourite' anti-evolution arguments, though, along with "How come no monkeys ever give birth to humans??"
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Post by Vene on Mar 25, 2009 14:34:59 GMT -5
I think I'm going to just answer any stupid question with "Because you touch yourself at night."
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Post by The Lazy One on Mar 25, 2009 15:04:34 GMT -5
The "Atheism is just (an excuse for) sociopathy" in all it's variants is intoxicating stupid, as well as telling you everything you need to know about the person making it. Ugh, I hate that one. A fundie once had the balls to tell me that I'm a sociopath because I'm an atheist. What brought this on? I was reading an article by Sam Harris in Newsweek.
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