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Post by kremlinkoa on Mar 27, 2009 12:41:45 GMT -5
Well if this study is still accurate, then it is theoretically possible to 'cure' homosexuality. That study is about making male fruit flies who were not bisexual begin behaving bisexually by changing the way they respond to pheromones. Sure, it's theoretically possible for a sufficiently scientifically advanced method to exist to change human sexuality by tinkering with neurons/hormones/etc. It's just very, very, very far from where we are now with psychology. That study just isn't anywhere near sufficiently generalisable to human sexuality. Hence my reference to Surgery with butcherknives. My use of 'cure', as opposed to cure, was meant to indicate my opinion that it wasn't really curing a problem. AN interesting parallel is actually the transgendered. If the feasable ability to surgically alter one gender into theother did not yet exist, would the correct treatment for those with a transgendered identity be to teach them to accept their physical body as it was? Well not end, but when sexuality is somethig you can war an change easily, bigotry about secuality would habe the same impact as a sarcastic 'nice suit' comment.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 27, 2009 14:55:12 GMT -5
Why Ibby, I didn't know you cared.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 27, 2009 15:02:35 GMT -5
AN interesting parallel is actually the transgendered. If the feasable ability to surgically alter one gender into theother did not yet exist, would the correct treatment for those with a transgendered identity be to teach them to accept their physical body as it was? Point of fact: There are non-op transsexuals who do not opt to have their bodies surgically altered, so it's certainly possible to live as the desired gender without having one's body changed. It's less desirable for many (and all if you remove hormones), but it's doable. How far do we take the phrase "accepting their physical body," though? I suppose that's where my own answer divides.
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Post by alwimo on Mar 27, 2009 16:18:04 GMT -5
AN interesting parallel is actually the transgendered. If the feasable ability to surgically alter one gender into theother did not yet exist, would the correct treatment for those with a transgendered identity be to teach them to accept their physical body as it was? I do not claim to have any good objections to an effective way someone wilfully altering their own sexuality. It doesn't exist yet. And helping someone become more comfortable with their sex (I would be reasonable if they are unable to change it or need help with that and don't want SRS for some reason/s (and there are valid, personal reasons people can have for that). Well not end, but when sexuality is somethig you can war an change easily, bigotry about secuality would habe the same impact as a sarcastic 'nice suit' comment. No, it wouldn't. Let's say I love a man. Someone comes up and bashes us, yelling "faggots must die". Oh wait, there's a way for us to change our sexualities! We'll just go to the doctor in the morning and intentionally make sure that we don't love each other anymore (possibly finding all our once happy memories together repulsive?) and go on our own ways. That's the solution to sexual bigotry? It doesn't need to be a hyperbole (which that is not) to be terrible. It could be something much smaller. Even if we don't choose to do change our orientations, the hurtful comments alone (not to mention the physical violence) wouldn't be made any less hurtful by the ability to change. Extending your trans parallel: Do you think the ability for people to change their sex has meant that sexism is less of a problem? Do you think that it's going to eventuate as SRS gets better/quicker/easier?
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Post by ouabache on Mar 27, 2009 19:07:14 GMT -5
Wait... is everyone on this forum gay except for me? Everyone's gay dude. It's just a matter of what degree you're gay. Let me quote a wise man on the subject. Ironbite-god bless you Ron White. All hail St. Tater Salad!!!
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Post by ouabache on Mar 27, 2009 19:14:09 GMT -5
Well if this study is still accurate, then it is theoretically possible to 'cure' homosexuality. If they could do this in some kind of liquid form the first thing I would do is spike theworld's supply of Holy Water.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 27, 2009 19:19:07 GMT -5
Extending your trans parallel: Do you think the ability for people to change their sex has meant that sexism is less of a problem? Do you think that it's going to eventuate as SRS gets better/quicker/easier? It certainly hasn't made the transgendered more acceptable.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 27, 2009 20:32:36 GMT -5
At first, I thought this thread was about gay psychologists offering to turn straight people gay. That'd be funny to see people's reactions. Granted they'd probably miss the hypocrisy of their own reactions. I'm glad the one at the end of the article has a brain. I've actually had that happen to me twice in my life (I've seen a lot of shrinks). Then again I've come to the conclusion that most shrinks are on the wrong end of the couch. #1 Are you in a relationship? Me - yes Are you happy? Me - no Well if your not happy with men, then you're probably a lesbian. She then went on about my "addiction" to antihistamines. Who knew not wanting to sneeze till you bleed was an addiction. #2 I was convinced was hitting on me, she'd go on and on about what nice eyes I had, etc, etc. I actually reported her, but nothing came of it.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 27, 2009 21:14:13 GMT -5
At first, I thought this thread was about gay psychologists offering to turn straight people gay. That'd be funny to see people's reactions. Granted they'd probably miss the hypocrisy of their own reactions. I'm glad the one at the end of the article has a brain. I've actually had that happen to me twice in my life (I've seen a lot of shrinks). Then again I've come to the conclusion that most shrinks are on the wrong end of the couch. #1 Are you in a relationship? Me - yes Are you happy? Me - no Well if your not happy with men, then you're probably a lesbian. She then went on about my "addiction" to antihistamines. Who knew not wanting to sneeze till you bleed was an addiction. #2 I was convinced was hitting on me, she'd go on and on about what nice eyes I had, etc, etc. I actually reported her, but nothing came of it. There's a reason why the word therapist can be broken down into "the rapist", you know
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Post by renaissanceblonde on Mar 27, 2009 21:22:36 GMT -5
Re: running for President I can't do it. I'm Aussie.
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Post by tygerarmy on Mar 27, 2009 22:00:04 GMT -5
People are retarded; you can't cure being gay anymore than you can being short.
It's got to be hard for people who do come out only to have family, friends or therapist reject them.
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Post by alwimo on Mar 27, 2009 22:02:08 GMT -5
Here's a slightly edited excerpt of a blog entry I made where I describe an experience with a psychologist: Of course, there are some homophobic and biphobic psychologists (but the vast majority of psychologists aren't). Some of them have offensive attitudes that they might unintentionally reveal. I was the client of one of them and we were talking about something unrelated to sexual orientation and then she asked me what mine was. I told her I was bisexual and she made it clear that she didn’t believe me. She thought I was immature (I was going to turn 19 in a few months) and would find out who I actually like once I grew up. She didn’t try to change my sexuality; she “just” dismissed it: causing me to feel awful for the rest of the day. I went to see a different psychologist after that, which was a decision I had made before she said what she did. fences-and-cakes.blogspot.com/2009/03/psychologists-that-try-to-fix.html
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Post by Vene on Mar 27, 2009 22:08:10 GMT -5
Riiight, because so many heterosexuals had no idea about their sexuality at 19. And psychologists have no fucking excuse considering their education. I fucking hate that argument. I mean, I'm straight, but nobody has ever tried to say that I'll grow out of it or that I'm just confused or anything like that. To do so towards homosexuals and bisexuals is just fucking moronic. Then again, bigotry is moronic so I shouldn't be surprised.
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Post by ouabache on Mar 27, 2009 23:14:45 GMT -5
There's a reason why the word therapist can be broken down into "the rapist", you know
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Post by the old firm on Mar 28, 2009 5:38:54 GMT -5
As far as I know, nobody knows what causes homosexuality, or for that matter, how sexuality at all works. So how can anybody (therapists or whoever) offer to "help" someone to become straight?
I had once a quite homophobic therapist. Lets just say, he wasn't my therapist for very long...
My family is fine with me being gay. I bothers them more, that I smoke ;D
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