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Post by schizophonic on Mar 28, 2009 7:34:47 GMT -5
Re: running for President I can't do it. I'm Aussie. Awww, crap. Guess I'm on my own. Anyone want to be my running mate? As far as I know, nobody knows what causes homosexuality, or for that matter, how sexuality at all works. So how can anybody (therapists or whoever) offer to "help" someone to become straight? I had once a quite homophobic therapist. Lets just say, he wasn't my therapist for very long... My family is fine with me being gay. I bothers them more, that I smoke ;D We've found multiple factors that lead to homosexuality, so I'm not entirely sure we don't know what causes it. But on the other hand, there is no effective cure and no reason to cure it.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 28, 2009 12:42:25 GMT -5
Here's a situation that happened about 10 years ago in Calgary, I can't find a reference for it and I'm not sure how it turned out. I was always torn on it, because I could see both sides of the argument.
A gay lawyer was fired from a practice. He had come out of the closet after being hired, and claimed that the company had fired him because he was now openly gay. The practice claimed they did not fire him for being gay, but because his behaviour had change. They claimed that they were a conservative company and that employees were expected to act as such. Wear navy blue suits, etc. The company claims (and he did not deny it, in fact he claimed it was who he now was) that he was showing up in pink suits, being flamboyant with the clients and the other staff, and generally acting "light in the loafers".
If they fired him for being gay, that's definitely wrong. However, if he's a detriment to the client/lawyer relationship, then I think they should be able to fire him. I'm sure it got settled out of court. But it's one of those things that has always bothered me.
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Post by Vene on Mar 28, 2009 12:46:54 GMT -5
Now I want a pink suit.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 28, 2009 13:01:34 GMT -5
Somewhere around here I have a picture of my mom from her junior prom in the early 70s. Her date wore a light blue tuxedo. This was considered haute couture at the time. But then again, so was radioactive polyester.
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Post by pdc1987 on Mar 28, 2009 14:50:41 GMT -5
www.narth.com/docs/coll-harren.htmlNARTH MISSION STATEMENT We respect the right of all individuals to choose their own destiny. NARTH is a professional, scientific organization that offers hope to those who struggle with unwanted homosexuality. As an organization, we disseminate educational information, conduct and collect scientific research, promote effective therapeutic treatment, and provide referrals to those who seek our assistance. NARTH upholds the rights of individuals with unwanted homosexual attraction to receive effective psychological care and the right of professionals to offer that care. We welcome the participation of all individuals who will join us in the pursuit of these goals. --- Typically, the biological explanation is preferred by homosexuals as this explanation helps to generate greater tolerance and also helps to build their case for minority status. Since education on the developmental contributors to homosexuality discredits the theory that it is completely inborn, some people are opposed to this type of education. Although education on the developmental contributors is not always viewed positively, it is very important that this information be shared. In this paper, less offensive, and therefore more effective ways of educating the public on the developmental contributors to homosexuality are described. . . . To quote Pen Jillette, FUCK YOU IN THE NECK!!!
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Post by pdc1987 on Mar 28, 2009 15:01:29 GMT -5
www.narth.com/docs/sutton09.htmlDr. Phil Sutton Elected NARTH President-Elect Philip Mark Sutton, Ph.D. At the NARTH Strategic Planning Meeting in Salt Lake City, December 2008, the board of directors elected Philip Mark Sutton, Ph.D. as the 2009 NARTH President-elect. Dr. Sutton has been a member of NARTH for over ten years, including serving both as a member of the Scientific Advisory Committee and the NARTH board of directors. He has contributed to the Practice Guidelines for the Treatment of Unwanted Homosexuality and helped to coordinate What the Research Shows: NARTH's Response to the APA's Claims on Homosexuality, due to be published this Spring. Dr. Sutton has earned an M.S. (1980) from the Clinical Psychology Program and a Ph.D. (1983) from the Marriage and Family Therapy Program at Purdue University (Indiana). He is a Licensed Psychologist in Michigan and Ohio and practices at two outpatient counseling centers, two elementary schools, and a Catholic seminary. He also leads a Courage group in South Bend, Indiana. He continues to write and speak on topics related to fatherhood, marriage and family health, and the integration of psychology, spirituality and religion. Dr. Sutton's term as President-elect begins in January, 2009.
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Post by Vene on Mar 28, 2009 15:05:25 GMT -5
NARTH MISSION STATEMENT We respect the right of all individuals to choose their own destiny. NARTH is a professional, scientific organization that offers hope to those who struggle with unwanted homosexuality. As an organization, we disseminate educational information, conduct and collect scientific research, promote effective therapeutic treatment, and provide referrals to those who seek our assistance. ... Typically, the biological explanation is preferred by homosexuals as this explanation helps to generate greater tolerance and also helps to build their case for minority status. Am I the only one who sees the contradiction? Unless biology is no longer a science.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 28, 2009 15:23:44 GMT -5
NARTH MISSION STATEMENT We respect the right of all individuals to choose their own destiny. NARTH is a professional, scientific organization that offers hope to those who struggle with unwanted homosexuality. As an organization, we disseminate educational information, conduct and collect scientific research, promote effective therapeutic treatment, and provide referrals to those who seek our assistance. ... Typically, the biological explanation is preferred by homosexuals as this explanation helps to generate greater tolerance and also helps to build their case for minority status. Am I the only one who sees the contradiction? Unless biology is no longer a science. Biology is unproven. That's why they don't want to teach sex in school. It could turn out that one day, masturbation causes AIDS. Oh, and I'm pretty sure you can get pregnant from a toilet seat.
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Post by Vene on Mar 28, 2009 15:30:08 GMT -5
Well a virus certainly doesn't cause AIDs, just read this.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 28, 2009 15:39:44 GMT -5
Well Hell's Bells, I'm convinced.
*chucks the numerous condoms I've accrued*
Don't need those anymore....
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Post by wackadoodle on Mar 28, 2009 15:49:44 GMT -5
I made a topic about NARTH awhile back pdc1987, its gets more pathetic.: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NARTH#Medical_view_of_conversion_therapyMajor organizations that reject therapy to change sexual orientation include the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Association of School Administrators, the American Federation of Teachers, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Education Association.[22]
NARTH rejects these claims, arguing that the psychological and psychiatric professional associations have become little more than the research arms of the gay rights movement.[23] A. Dean Byrd commented in a press release that a paper by Jeffrey Satinover showed that, "...gay advocates have created fraudulent studies and misused, misquoted, and mischaracterized other research studies for political gain. These reports are frequently used in court cases to bring about victories for gay activism."[24] They're no different from the creationist groups. Just wave afew PHDs around to reinforce their followers idiotic beliefs. When every single credible institution in the field says they're full of shit they just scream conspiracy and their audience and it's giant persecution complex eats it up.
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Post by Damen on Mar 28, 2009 16:45:24 GMT -5
Wait... is everyone on this forum gay except for me? No, I'm pretty well straight. The true horror here is that it could be used to create an effective 'cure'. The possible wonder is that by taking charge of our own sexuality, we might be able to decide what orientation we want to be, on a day by day basis. Such a breakthrough would be the final straw to end sexual bigotry. Actually, it could be the beginning of a new era in bigotry. Consider: a fifteen year old comes out to his fundie parents that he's gay and hoping that they'll be understanding. They, instead, send him to the hospital to be "cured" of his homo tendencies. This kid is fifteen, which means he's not a legal adult, which means his parents are the ones who get the say so in whether or not this treatment is done. It's not as much of a bonus as you might think. I made a topic about NARTH awhile back pdc1987, its gets more pathetic.: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NARTH#Medical_view_of_conversion_therapyMajor organizations that reject therapy to change sexual orientation include the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Association of School Administrators, the American Federation of Teachers, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Education Association.[22]
NARTH rejects these claims, arguing that the psychological and psychiatric professional associations have become little more than the research arms of the gay rights movement.[23] A. Dean Byrd commented in a press release that a paper by Jeffrey Satinover showed that, "...gay advocates have created fraudulent studies and misused, misquoted, and mischaracterized other research studies for political gain. These reports are frequently used in court cases to bring about victories for gay activism."[24] They're no different from the creationist groups. Just wave afew PHDs around to reinforce their followers idiotic beliefs. When every single credible institution in the field says they're full of shit they just scream conspiracy and their audience and it's giant persecution complex eats it up. Wow, what a bunch of douche-bags.
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Post by canadian mojo on Mar 28, 2009 17:24:07 GMT -5
Philip Mark Sutton, Ph.D.
So I'm thinking that in this case Ph.D. stands for Pretty Huge Dick.
In terms of treatment, I think the best you could possibly do would be to teach the individual to repress sexual urges and be celibate... and we all know how well that has worked for the Catholics. Sexuality is just way too hardwired to essentially argue and browbeat someone into switching teams for any length of time.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 28, 2009 17:28:22 GMT -5
Actually, it could be the beginning of a new era in bigotry. Consider: a fifteen year old comes out to his fundie parents that he's gay and hoping that they'll be understanding. They, instead, send him to the hospital to be "cured" of his homo tendencies. This kid is fifteen, which means he's not a legal adult, which means his parents are the ones who get the say so in whether or not this treatment is done. It's not as much of a bonus as you might think. Also, think of the psychological element of being "cured" against your will. I mean, I'd personally hope that there were higher standards to ensure someone was emotionally prepared, but I fear it wouldn't. Besides, what happens to those of us who don't want a cure, anyway? Wouldn't that make us all the more hated because we could choose to "cure" ourselves and didn't? It's like combining both forms of persecution into one. As for the number of gays around here, between being the internet and being an anti-fundie forum, I think it's just that people are more likely to be rawn to it who are gay or bi, and more likely to be open about it.
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Post by Sandafluffoid on Mar 28, 2009 17:31:58 GMT -5
As for the number of gays around here, between being the internet and being an anti-fundie forum, I think it's just that people are more likely to be rawn to it who are gay or bi, and more likely to be open about it. Well its a knock on effect, when your religion tells you that you are evil and are going to hell you are far more likely to question your faith, and that leads you down the route to fstdt.
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