Angrytemplar
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Despite the picture, i'm an atheist gamer nerd with an obsession with knights
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Post by Angrytemplar on Feb 13, 2010 1:15:29 GMT -5
The idea of x:y odds (like 10:1) is that it represents a ratio of success to failure or vice versa. If the odds are 10:1, then in eleven trials, one event will happen in ten of them while the other event will happen in only one of them over the long term. So flipping a coin and trying to get heads is 1:1 odds - out of two trials, you're likely to get one positive result. Of course, this assumes infinite trials. If you flip a coin twice, you can easily get heads twice or tails twice; if you flip a (fair) coin an infinite number of times, however, you get the expected value of 50% or 1:1 odds. If evolution has a billion to one odds of being right, then only one time in roughly a billion is evolution going to happen. Unfortunately for Dan Lietha, statistics do not work the way he frames it, as one would have to define "evolution" as something very specific, and establish just what a trial is for testing evolution (in the coin-flipping example, one trial would be one flip of a coin - but what exactly is one trial of evolution?). There are countless major problems besides those two, but I'd say those are the biggest ones. Thanks. 1+ Helpfulness skill for you
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Post by ironbite on Feb 13, 2010 2:13:59 GMT -5
......................WHAT!?
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Post by RavynousHunter on Feb 13, 2010 2:15:26 GMT -5
I'm surprised /b/ hasn't destroyed them for that comic.
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apedant
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Post by apedant on Feb 13, 2010 12:20:51 GMT -5
All these links to comics on AiG...am I the only one trying to pharangulate the "rate this comic"?
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Post by The_L on Feb 13, 2010 18:39:29 GMT -5
I'm getting confused about this. I might be doing top of my class year 11 math methods (fancy way of saying year 11 maths), but the whole x:y ratio being used in chance was never told to me in some twist of fate. I mean, In horse races, isn't a 2:1 horse meant to have a better chance than a 10:1 horse? Or was it meant to be 1:2 was better than 1:10? I blame the Australian education system for my confusion. I never got taught sex ed in primary school for goodness's sake. I only learned because one of my friends looked too far in to encyclopedia brittanica and decided to tell me about it. But I guess thats a tale for another thread. Still, could someone clarify? In horse races, they tell you the odds against. In other words, for a 10:1 horse, the odds are 10 to 1 that it loses. And who teaches about sex in primary school? (Or is this a case of being divided by a common language? Here in the U.S., "primary school" indicates either an elementary school, or a school that only covers grades 1-3.)
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Post by Vene on Feb 13, 2010 18:48:55 GMT -5
I'm getting confused about this. I might be doing top of my class year 11 math methods (fancy way of saying year 11 maths), but the whole x:y ratio being used in chance was never told to me in some twist of fate. I mean, In horse races, isn't a 2:1 horse meant to have a better chance than a 10:1 horse? Or was it meant to be 1:2 was better than 1:10? I blame the Australian education system for my confusion. I never got taught sex ed in primary school for goodness's sake. I only learned because one of my friends looked too far in to encyclopedia brittanica and decided to tell me about it. But I guess thats a tale for another thread. Still, could someone clarify? In horse races, they tell you the odds against. In other words, for a 10:1 horse, the odds are 10 to 1 that it loses. And who teaches about sex in primary school? (Or is this a case of being divided by a common language? Here in the U.S., "primary school" indicates either an elementary school, or a school that only covers grades 1-3.) I was introduced to sex ed in 5th grade, which was a part of the elementary school.
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apedant
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Post by apedant on Feb 13, 2010 18:52:07 GMT -5
And who teaches about sex in primary school? (Or is this a case of being divided by a common language? Good schools? Here in the UK in the late 80s/early 90s we learned the basic biology of sex in very simple terms at about age 10. Not the how to or the stds, that came later, but the male/female differences and the fact that sex exists and is how babies are made.
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Post by Mira on Feb 13, 2010 19:09:37 GMT -5
Yeah, sex ed started in 5th grade for my school system as well. However, it was only one day, a video at the end of the school year.
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Post by gadfly on Feb 13, 2010 19:10:04 GMT -5
Someone posted this comic on the homepage: Hey, it's Tom Cruise as a fundie! Err, something other than a fundie Scientologist, that is. ;D
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Post by The_L on Feb 13, 2010 19:15:31 GMT -5
For me, it was 7th grade. My parents had taught me the birds and the bees, but it wasn't until 7th grade that the question of "where babies come from" was answered by our schools.
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Post by DarkfireTaimatsu on Feb 13, 2010 19:23:41 GMT -5
I'm sure I must've heard something about it before, but I don't remember any sex ed before 11th grade. Though I'm sure they must've talked about, like, puberty in 5th or something.
Either way, 11th is when I remember having it. Not that I paid attention. In fact, I threw out all the worksheets (because who wants to look at drawings of those things?) and failed the class. I believe the exact reasoning was "I'm never going to have a girlfriend, so what do I need to know how a girl gets pregnant for anyway?" (In my defense, I was really depressed around that year.) And I don't think I knew what the word "sex" even meant until 11th grade either.
Oh, and I don't recall ever having a birds-and-bees talk with Mum, either.
In closing, I have no idea how I know about sex. Maybe it's an instinctual thing. Race memories, perhaps.
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apedant
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Post by apedant on Feb 13, 2010 19:28:41 GMT -5
Seriously? There's a school system out there that thinks a good age to teach about sex is after the average age that kids lose their virginity?
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Post by Mira on Feb 13, 2010 19:29:50 GMT -5
See, Tai, you didn't get any sex ed and now you're asexual.
Sex ed just corrupts our children and teaches them about penes and vaginae and what to do with them.
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Post by Amaranth on Feb 13, 2010 20:16:01 GMT -5
Seriously? There's a school system out there that thinks a good age to teach about sex is after the average age that kids lose their virginity? you're applying logic. Anyway, fifth grade here, too. Though it was more "reproduction" than sex.
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apedant
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Post by apedant on Feb 13, 2010 21:16:51 GMT -5
Seriously? There's a school system out there that thinks a good age to teach about sex is after the average age that kids lose their virginity? you're applying logic. Anyway, fifth grade here, too. Though it was more "reproduction" than sex. That's a good way of putting it. I might try that phrasing next time colleagues explode at a Daily Mail story of how they're teaching our children sex.
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