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Post by RavynousHunter on Mar 16, 2010 1:57:54 GMT -5
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Post by deusmalum on Mar 16, 2010 11:19:44 GMT -5
I worked it out, and by diameter the sun really is about 400 times bigger than the moon. However, it's only about 390 times farther away, hence the small apparent size difference - the sun's 32 arc minutes in size, while the moon's 31. More to the point, the distance between the earth and the moon and the earth and the sun varies over time. The apparent size difference this generates between the sun and the moon varies by about 10%. Which is partly why some of the time the moon perfectly covers the sun during an eclipse, while other times the coverage is imperfect (This also has to do with the angle of transit of the earth and the sun, owing to the fact that they aren't in the same plane)
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Post by big_electron on Mar 17, 2010 4:18:01 GMT -5
I worked it out, and by diameter the sun really is about 400 times bigger than the moon. However, it's only about 390 times farther away, hence the small apparent size difference - the sun's 32 arc minutes in size, while the moon's 31. You must be talking mean apparent size, because the moon's exact apparent size varies between perigee and apogee, with its notably eccentric orbit.
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Post by dasfuchs on Mar 17, 2010 11:00:20 GMT -5
I was drive-by God-solicited once. I was just standing at a bus stop with a friend having a chat while waiting for the bus, some bloke in a pick up jumped traffic in a rush to park, hop out, scurry over to us and hand us a pamphlet while telling us, "Because everyone deserves a chance." What the fuck. Didn't even know me. I had'em hand me one in the drive through at mcd's once...I just slipped it back in the bag with "no soliciting" written on it and handed it out to them That or leave the ones on the floor that look like twenty dollar bills on the back. I purposely picked those up and would drop them on the person's tray if I saw who it was and tell them that we didn't allow soliciting on the premises
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Post by szaleniec on Mar 17, 2010 15:19:07 GMT -5
I don't get how the correspondence of the diameters and distances of the Sun and the Moon is supposed to prove anything. It's not like it's essential (as far as we know) for life to exist, so the argument doesn't even have the anthropic principle working in its favour.
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Post by The_L on Mar 24, 2010 19:43:55 GMT -5
I'm still giggling at the "if this doesn't convince you, then nothing will." Well, guess what, troll, we're not convinced.
Also, you have not yet convinced us that there is anything for us to be saved from. Get on that.
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Post by jinxxed on Mar 24, 2010 20:21:05 GMT -5
Dear Atheists, Do you think its a coincidence that... of billions of stars and planets in the many galaxies, only earth has life, and abundance of it? I don't know that and neither do you, but i'm not surprised that this one has life on it since it does, the chance is 1:1 that it has happened. Not only have you gotten the ratios completely fucked up but you don't know how perspective works. That's just daft, the sun is doing the daylight 24/7/52 ther is nothing strange about it, it doesn't suddenly rise or set, the earth twists around it's own axis to make it shine on different parts of the earth, it's always five o clock somewhere, the moon doesn't actually HAVE any glimmering, it's just sunshine reflecting off of it and it doesn't "glimmer" at all. They don't whistle sheit, that is how they speak, do you think it's coincidence that cats make noise on march? I got bored so... nothing is a coincidence when it comes to life and that goes for all life (or exctinct life for the same reason), there is no beauty in it but what our minds tell us is beautiful, well except mayyyybe for pussy. Nothing special about anything except perhaps for that, there has to be some kind of magic to pussy though, like voodoo sheit or something because when i taste one i get all mesmerised. [EDIT] i got stuck with my thoughts so i forgot to give you the explanation for it all, evolution... Natural selection isn't random, it's what creates cause from the chaos that evolution brings forth. When you get to middle school, you'll be taught all about it.
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Post by Amaranth on Mar 24, 2010 21:26:08 GMT -5
your calendar says that the current year is 2010? What happened 2010 years ago? Considering the current calendar is based on guestimates and was instituted after the fact, it's neither coincidence nor is the question accurate.
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Post by rumpshakerslim on Mar 25, 2010 13:48:53 GMT -5
This whole thread is a bathtub full of win.
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Post by Northumbrian on Apr 2, 2010 21:39:01 GMT -5
I don't get how the correspondence of the diameters and distances of the Sun and the Moon is supposed to prove anything. It's not like it's essential (as far as we know) for life to exist, so the argument doesn't even have the anthropic principle working in its favour. I've seen this mentioned in the "Goldilocks Principle" book, where it's discussed at more length, but here's the BBC on the role of the moon: www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/madeforlife.shtmlI think there's more - something like, "a bigger moon would have pulled us into a full "double-planet" system, where conditions on both would be too unstable for life, a much smaller moon would not have given the spin on the axis which gives us the the tidal system which is still reckoned by many to be crucial to formation of land-based animals." There's lots more, but I can't find it just at the moment. If you want to check this out try the book, "The Goldilocks Enigma" by Paul Davies (on the long list for the Royal Society's Science Book of the Year prize) which has it in more detail. I don't think the author has a theological axe to grind, and I certainly don't. I'm not a Christian, nor an atheist - I'm firmly in the, "The Universe is so weird that even one of the Earth's religions might be true, but I can't see any evidence to tell me if it is, or which it is." camp. I do, however, believe in hauling out facts however inconvenient they may be to any side of an argument - and the exact configuration of the Earth-Moon system is something solid for the "can it be coincidence that" crowd. It looks like it really is something that had to be "just right" to get life on a planet. Except, of course, that I don't think it's a "coincidence" - I think that if had been otherwise we wouldn't be here to talk about it.
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Post by Northumbrian on Apr 2, 2010 21:52:02 GMT -5
@devilschaplain Your sig picture is fun, but one thing really bugs me (quite in excess of its real annoyance factor, particularly on this site!) Paul wasn't AT the Last Supper - he never met Jesus, which may be why he felt free to re-invent "Christianity" so it fitted his idea of what a religion should be. Nor, BTW was Mary Magdalene - this was strictly a guys' night out. Even the one next to Christ. This too is a bloke, despite what you may read in Dan Brown's "da Vinci Code"
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Apr 2, 2010 22:00:34 GMT -5
@devilschaplain Your sig picture is fun, but one thing really bugs me (quite in excess of its real annoyance factor, particularly on this site!) Paul wasn't AT the Last Supper - he never met Jesus, which may be why he felt free to re-invent "Christianity" so it fitted his idea of what a religion should be. Nor, BTW was Mary Magdalene - this was strictly a guys' night out. Even the one next to Christ. This too is a bloke, despite what you may read in Dan Brown's "da Vinci Code" Eh, I never read The Da Vinci Code, and the movies were horrifically boring and convoluted to say the least. I didn't make this signature, but rather I found it during a Google image search--the same way I get all my signatures
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Post by Thejebusfire on Apr 2, 2010 22:56:39 GMT -5
Some people are test tube babies and some people make the unfortunate choice of suicide.
All about the fail train.
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Post by Northumbrian on Apr 3, 2010 10:47:28 GMT -5
Do you think its a coincidence that... you were born from a lady's womb and you will die a death, without choice of either? Well, you don't have much choice, but these days there is such a thing as planned parenthood as your parents may well have had some choice.
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Post by FMG on Apr 3, 2010 11:14:49 GMT -5
To be fair test tube babies are still born from a womb and suicide is still death... You don't have a choice in whether you are born or whether you die. Everybody dies... Jesuslover is right.
Just because things are "out of human control" doesn't mean that a God is involved though.
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