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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 13, 2010 17:29:02 GMT -5
There are two types of atheists: those who are such because they've never thought about religion, and those who are such because they have thought about religion. Most folks are the latter. You aren't going to win us over by using tired platitudes, common strawmen, and Bible quotes. We've ALREADY rejected these things. Use empirical evidence or you'll have zero chance here. Try preying on the emotionally vulnerable. They make good targets.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Mar 13, 2010 17:30:10 GMT -5
There are two types of atheists: those who are such because they've never thought about religion, and those who are such because they have thought about religion. Most folks are the latter. You aren't going to win us over by using tired platitudes, common strawmen, and Bible quotes. We've ALREADY rejected these things. Use empirical evidence or you'll have zero chance here. Try preying on the emotionally vulnerable. They make good targets.Shhhh, I don't want him coming to my house.
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Post by jesuslover on Mar 13, 2010 17:30:19 GMT -5
God is righteous imaginary. Fix'd for you, dear.With all due respect, this is only your opinion. God knows your heart. Nor does it invalidate the careful research and Bible exposition of godly men.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Mar 13, 2010 17:31:17 GMT -5
With all due respect, this is only your opinion. God knows your heart.Ooooh, veiled threats.
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Post by jesuslover on Mar 13, 2010 17:32:41 GMT -5
With all due respect, this is only your opinion. God knows your heart.Ooooh, veiled threats. We need to remember that when Jesus walked the earth, He was fully human as well as fully divine. Hebrews 4:15 says He was tested just as we are tested, but He didn 't sin. When He stubbed His toe, for instance, He was tempted to say the same kinds of words that often fly out of my mouth when that happens to me, but He didn't say them. The thoughts were a human mistake (temptation), but they didn't lead to sin. Remember also what Paul wrote in Php 2:7, that Jesus "made Himself nothing, taking the very (human) nature of a servant". I believe that, in essence, Paul is saying that Jesus laid aside all His power and prerogatives as God (including His Divine Perfection) and became fully human. He took up those powers and prerogatives when He returmed to the Father.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 13, 2010 17:32:51 GMT -5
With all due respect, this is only your opinion. Don't suppose you have any scientific studies that prove your god exists?
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Mar 13, 2010 17:33:30 GMT -5
Can I just ask something? Why is saying "damnmit!" or "darn!" or "shit!" sinful, especially when you're hurt?
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 13, 2010 17:34:10 GMT -5
We need to remember that when Jesus walked the earth, He was fully human as well as fully divine. That makes no sense. Just like your idea of a triune god. Jesus the son clearly speaks to God the father in the New Testament. Is he a schizo or something?
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Post by jesuslover on Mar 13, 2010 17:35:24 GMT -5
With all due respect, this is only your opinion. Don't suppose you have any scientific studies that prove your god exists? Which scientific studies do you have to prove he doesn't exist? I have posted my evidence already- read into it. God addressed me many times and through his words I was able to see the light.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Mar 13, 2010 17:36:34 GMT -5
Don't suppose you have any scientific studies that prove your god exists? Which scientific studies do you have to prove he doesn't exist? I have posted my evidence already- read into it. God addressed me many times and through his words I was able to see the light. Funny...God never spoke to me once in the 12 years of believing. Was I just not important enough? I mean, hey, Jesus himself supposedly said "Suffer the little children to come unto me", right? Was there some sort of cut-off age?
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Post by jesuslover on Mar 13, 2010 17:36:52 GMT -5
We need to remember that when Jesus walked the earth, He was fully human as well as fully divine. That makes no sense. Just like your idea of a triune god. Jesus the son clearly speaks to God the father in the New Testament. Is he a schizo or something? He was fully divine in human form. After resurrection, when Jesus came back and witnessed to the apostles and then many, in what state or form was He? God said He is Spirit so was Jesus but He was also in human form of flesh and blood also. After His resurrection, Jesus was still Spirit but know He was also, the miracle of miracles, He was in His resurrected body. When a Christian is raised from the dead, it will be in a resurrected body just like Jesus demonstrated to us. When Jesus Christ returns, the dead will be raised first and given their promised heavenly body. Then those who are ALIVE in Christ will be raised in the "twinkling of an eye". Those who experience this (Rapture) wil not experience death but, in a "blink of an eye", they will be transformed into their heavenly or "resurrected" body. It is those alive, who are not in Christ, that will be left behind to suffer the trials of Tribulation!
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 13, 2010 17:37:36 GMT -5
Don't suppose you have any scientific studies that prove your god exists? Which scientific studies do you have to prove he doesn't exist? I have posted my evidence already- read into it. God addressed me many times and through his words I was able to see the light. 1.) The burden of proof is on you, the person making the claim. If I said there was a small invisible man sitting on your shoulder it would be my job to prove said invisible man exists. Now, prove that your invisible friend exists. 2.) That wasn't evidence, that was: all the pretty birdies and the butterflies and our complex bodies.... Yeah, that's NOT science, sweetheart.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Mar 13, 2010 17:38:05 GMT -5
Heh, that reminds me of the joke about the Baptists being transformed first, because the "dead in Christ" go first!
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Post by Mira on Mar 13, 2010 17:38:53 GMT -5
But, simply looking at a woman lustfully is sinful. Isn't temptation a sinful thing as well as actually committing the act?
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 13, 2010 17:39:10 GMT -5
That makes no sense. Just like your idea of a triune god. Jesus the son clearly speaks to God the father in the New Testament. Is he a schizo or something? He was fully divine in human form. After resurrection, when Jesus came back and witnessed to the apostles and then many, in what state or form was He? God said He is Spirit so was Jesus but He was also in human form of flesh and blood also. After His resurrection, Jesus was still Spirit but know He was also, the miracle of miracles, He was in His resurrected body. When a Christian is raised from the dead, it will be in a resurrected body just like Jesus demonstrated to us. When Jesus Christ returns, the dead will be raised first and given their promised heavenly body. Then those who are ALIVE in Christ will be raised in the "twinkling of an eye". Those who experience this (Rapture) wil not experience death but, in a "blink of an eye", they will be transformed into their heavenly or "resurrected" body. It is those alive, who are not in Christ, that will be left behind to suffer the trials of Tribulation! That's a LOT of words for side-stepping an issue. Why did God talk to himself in the New Testament? And how can one be fully human and fully God?
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