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Post by ltfred on Mar 31, 2009 18:40:56 GMT -5
To play the devil's advocate (I am also against the death penelty) many would argue that it is justifiable to kill somebody in defense of other people. I agree with that proposition. In theory the death penelty would make sure that the person being executed will definatly never kill anyone again. Of course life in prison without parole would do that too, at least if our prison system was half compatent about keeping inmates from killing other inmates, but I never said it was a particularly good argument. That seems like a very weak argument to me: we should stop those in prison killing each other by doing it ourselves and to all of them. Hmmmm. |
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Post by Paradox on Mar 31, 2009 23:20:24 GMT -5
What I meant was that the argument says that the death penalty ensures that the murder will never kill again. Life in prison would do that in theory, but in practice American jails are very violent and a person imprisoned there could very well kill again. But I see that as more of an argument for prison reform than for the death penalty.
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Post by Julian on Apr 1, 2009 3:01:05 GMT -5
You're also working under the false and painfully narrow assumption there that the only premise for the death penalty has been, will be and should(?) be, murder!
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Post by ltfred on Apr 1, 2009 5:22:07 GMT -5
What I meant was that the argument says that the death penalty ensures that the murder will never kill again. Life in prison would do that in theory, but in practice American jails are very violent and a person imprisoned there could very well kill again. But I see that as more of an argument for prison reform than for the death penalty. There's another problem with this argument. The only people that could potentially have been murdered by those protected by the use of the death penalty would be other murderers... who would also get the death penalty. In other words, we'd do the job ourselves and save them the trouble. In the name of the defense of the people we just killed. |
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Post by darthtoxic on Apr 1, 2009 12:23:05 GMT -5
I'm against the death penalty for the most part, but mainly because I feel that death is too much of an easy escape for it. Maybe my having chronic suicidal depression has something to do with it, but I'd much rather be killed than rot in a dark cell for the rest of my natural life. So I wouldn't want to allow some criminals that luxury.
The main things that annoys me about 'the other side' is that the same people who advocate the death sentence oppose abortion. That's kinda hypocritical, I think... Strikes me as more evidence of 'we don't give a shit about the baby once it's actually born'.
To quote Marilyn Manson, "we're from America; we don't like to kill our unborn, we need them to grow up and fight our wars."
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 1, 2009 16:18:51 GMT -5
I'm against the death penalty for the most part, but mainly because I feel that death is too much of an easy escape for it. Maybe my having chronic suicidal depression has something to do with it, but I'd much rather be killed than rot in a dark cell for the rest of my natural life. So I wouldn't want to allow some criminals that luxury. The main things that annoys me about 'the other side' is that the same people who advocate the death sentence oppose abortion. That's kinda hypocritical, I think... Strikes me as more evidence of 'we don't give a shit about the baby once it's actually born'. To quote Marilyn Manson, "we're from America; we don't like to kill our unborn, we need them to grow up and fight our wars." " If you're pre-born, you're fine; if you're pre-school, you're fucked." George Carlin. |
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