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Post by thephalanx on Apr 9, 2010 0:42:27 GMT -5
Whence Cometh Evil “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Epicurus – Greek philosopher, BC 341-270 if you ask me this is epic pownige to all god believers ;D ;D prove me wrong.
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Post by Vene on Apr 9, 2010 0:46:57 GMT -5
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
I see no reason why a god has to be benevolent.
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Post by thephalanx on Apr 9, 2010 0:59:22 GMT -5
than God dose not exist
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Post by davedan on Apr 9, 2010 1:07:46 GMT -5
No it just means that God's a prick and not worthy of worship or use as a moral authority. But then I don't think the ancient hebrews thought their own God was much of a moral authority. For instance the Book of Job.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Apr 9, 2010 1:17:13 GMT -5
My answer: because the gods are too busy arguing amongst themselves to actually accomplish anything.
(Hey, you didn't specifically specify Christianity or monotheism)
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Post by thephalanx on Apr 9, 2010 1:19:24 GMT -5
Kill Sons of Sinners "Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants." (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) and "If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) but ya. hes a prick and if you are ever in an agrument with a christian just show hi mthis link www.evilbible.com/i know its irony but its not that bad of a link. i checked my own bible for stuff also and ya.... he is a prick
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Post by thephalanx on Apr 9, 2010 1:23:11 GMT -5
doesnt matter. most of the religions are all the same thing. example Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) At the wrath of the Lord of hosts the land quakes, and the people are like fuel for fire; No man spares his brother, each devours the flesh of his neighbor. (Isaiah 9:18) Who struck down the firstborn of Egypt, God's love endures forever (Psalm 136:10 NAB) if you want more pleas ask.
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Post by MaybeNever on Apr 9, 2010 1:26:40 GMT -5
Dude, we didn't ask to begin with. Nobody here, even the Christians, are ignorant of the fact that there is some incredibly screwed up stuff in the Bible. But arguing against faith with logic, or, worse, fallacious logic, is going to accomplish exactly nothing except for wasted time and maybe some damaged heads and desks.
Beyond that, saying that "all faiths are the same thing" is insane. All believers of even one denomination don't agree on everything, and not every Christian is a douchebag. You're not going to win a lot of friends around here by being the atheist equivalent of an RR member.
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Post by thephalanx on Apr 9, 2010 1:29:03 GMT -5
ok point proven. im just sick of people saying how God or the bible is all knowing and everybody should follow it. and ya. if god is true to you so be it. im arguing about religion gods not personal gods.
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Post by davedan on Apr 9, 2010 1:31:16 GMT -5
Your not going to get much of an argument about that on here. The very definition of preaching to the converted, and rather incoherently too.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Apr 9, 2010 1:32:11 GMT -5
ok point proven. im just sick of people saying how God or the bible is all knowing and everybody should follow it. and ya. if god is true to you so be it. im arguing about religion gods not personal gods. Most of the Christians here are sick of that, too. We have pagans, atheists, agnostics, Christians and etc. here. Our purpose isn't to argue against religion, it is to argue against people who have put religion before intelligence and, in some cases, morality. And yes, we have anti-religious people here, too, but they at least respect the fact that some people here are religious
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Post by thephalanx on Apr 9, 2010 1:36:02 GMT -5
ok back to the main point. The Riddle of Epicuris
Then why call him God?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Apr 9, 2010 1:43:58 GMT -5
ok back to the main point. The Riddle of Epicuris Then why call him God? This riddle is based on the premise that the Abrahamic God is the only god out there. This already a fallacious premise. Why does a god have to be all-powerful and all-benevolent? There are many deities in many religions that are neither all-powerful, nor particularly benevolent. Zeus immediately springs to mind, and he's the head honcho of the Greek Faith. Only the Abrahamic religions seem arrogant enough to have a single deity be infinitely powerful. To answer your question, "why call him god?" Because that's what'd he'd be. A very lazy, apathetic god, but one nontheless.
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Post by thephalanx on Apr 9, 2010 1:54:21 GMT -5
most religion call there god omnipotent. and even malevolent or a mixture of the 2. for example all radical Christians and other right winded religions groups have always said that lifes a test of some sort and only god can tell you if you go to heaven(or other form of salvation) but besides that, the The Riddle of Epicuris still is relevant to almost all matters for this simmple fact. if a god has made you than
The Riddle of Epicuris Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? get it?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Apr 9, 2010 2:09:14 GMT -5
Yes, I get it. But you don't get it. Read my post and actually address it, please.
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