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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jan 17, 2011 0:24:47 GMT -5
rr-bb.com/showthread.php?154530-Struggles-with-questions-regarding-God-and-scienceThis topic is the best, by which I mean the worst. Not a single clue about how science works in any of these posts. This about sums up the problem: That effort is called "thought." Looking at birds & squirrels & retreating to your happy place takes no thought. Actually mapping out photosynthesis & germination may cause one to realize that a series of self-replicating chemical reactions don't need to be sustained by magic.
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Post by Cygnus on Jan 17, 2011 1:18:42 GMT -5
Oh god, reading that thread is painful.
No. No, that definitely is NOT a good thought; it's a completely idiotic one.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jan 17, 2011 2:27:08 GMT -5
This is totally a valid scientific theory law, everyone.
Also, how are the implications of changing explanations for the universe's origin NOT "some shit people made up thousands of years ago is probably wrong"?
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Post by Cygnus on Jan 17, 2011 15:36:14 GMT -5
Here's another gem:
*facepalm*
If you want to use that analogy, theists are the ones making a table of those elements without having any empirical evidence of them. Atheists are saying "you know, these elements have never been observed and there is nothing that necessitates their existence. Let's focus on the ones that we know exist".
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jan 17, 2011 22:57:10 GMT -5
That Fundie's analogy didn't even begin to make sense. Seriously, I don't see what the point was supposed to be.
There are a ton of "gems" in that thread. It's an explanation of why atheists DON'T want God in science. Look at the train wrecks that result!
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Post by Sigmaleph on Jan 18, 2011 18:06:06 GMT -5
That Fundie's analogy didn't even begin to make sense. Seriously, I don't see what the point was supposed to be. Probably something along the lines of "Scientists don't make periodic tables of elements that don't exist, therefore speaking of something that doesn't exist is unscientific. Atheists speak of God and say He does not exist, therefore atheism is unscientific. Checkmate, atheists!" Give or take a few steps in the middle.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jan 19, 2011 5:54:57 GMT -5
Oh, Edward Current...but the problem is, it could also be taken to mean, "We wouldn't have all of this information about God if he didn't exist." That being the main problem with the analogy. You have to guess at so many steps that it's impossible to figure out how the Hell this is even remotely related to science.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Jan 19, 2011 17:17:35 GMT -5
What did I just read?
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Post by Sigmaleph on Jan 20, 2011 19:14:52 GMT -5
An exercise in unfalsifiability in form of birth metaphors. Admiral Lithp: Well, any thread of thought that starts with "Scientists don't make periodic tables of elements that don't exist" and expects to arrive at a relevant non-trivial conclusion is going to be more twisted than trying to build 5-dimensional analogues of an M.C. Escher painting while dropping acid.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Jan 24, 2011 1:31:53 GMT -5
I've said that about Bill Maher, but I was joking. Something tells me this man is serious.
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Post by Vene on Jan 24, 2011 15:43:20 GMT -5
An exercise in unfalsifiability in form of birth metaphors. Admiral Lithp: Well, any thread of thought that starts with "Scientists don't make periodic tables of elements that don't exist" and expects to arrive at a relevant non-trivial conclusion is going to be more twisted than trying to build 5-dimensional analogues of an M.C. Escher painting while dropping acid. Is this a periodic table of elements that don't exist?
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Post by Sigmaleph on Jan 24, 2011 18:49:39 GMT -5
An exercise in unfalsifiability in form of birth metaphors. Admiral Lithp: Well, any thread of thought that starts with "Scientists don't make periodic tables of elements that don't exist" and expects to arrive at a relevant non-trivial conclusion is going to be more twisted than trying to build 5-dimensional analogues of an M.C. Escher painting while dropping acid. Is this a periodic table of elements that don't exist? I thought part of the point of it is that we don't know yet if they exist or not? "It" being the extended periodic table, not the analogy in question.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jan 24, 2011 19:54:49 GMT -5
You know, I totally thought of the Ununwhatevers, too. And Galium.
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Post by Vene on Jan 24, 2011 20:09:11 GMT -5
Is this a periodic table of elements that don't exist? I thought part of the point of it is that we don't know yet if they exist or not? "It" being the extended periodic table, not the analogy in question. The science has already accurately predicted the properties of unknown elements in the past, I see no reason why this would be wrong. They also probably don't exist because none of them would exist for even a second before decaying.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jan 24, 2011 22:56:16 GMT -5
That sounds like a challenge.
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