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Post by devilschaplain2 on Jun 3, 2010 20:17:44 GMT -5
Well I am correct right? Creationists think evolution is chance, when really the dices are loaded towards a certain set of traits. THERE IS NO 'S' IN PLURAL DICE!!! GAH! It's actually dicez.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Jun 3, 2010 20:25:54 GMT -5
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Post by John E on Jun 3, 2010 22:39:10 GMT -5
Creationists (and the vast majority of humans) don't count it as a tail because it doesn't stick out. Hell, it's what, two bones long? Seriously... Some human tails do stick out more than two inches though, and even have muscles that allow them to be wagged.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Jun 3, 2010 22:45:13 GMT -5
THERE IS NO 'S' IN PLURAL DICE!!! GAH! It's actually dicez. I'm going to start stabbing you now. I don't know when I'll stop. "Dice" is the plural. When you have one, it's "die". Cripes, people. Learn to English.
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Post by Lady Renae on Jun 3, 2010 23:24:52 GMT -5
Creationists (and the vast majority of humans) don't count it as a tail because it doesn't stick out. Hell, it's what, two bones long? Seriously... Some human tails do stick out more than two inches though, and even have muscles that allow them to be wagged. Yes, but those are very rare mutations on the same frequency level as extra digits, nipples, and webbing.
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Post by John E on Jun 3, 2010 23:27:50 GMT -5
... which just goes to show that brand new appendages can and do sometimes sprout.
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Post by Tiger on Jun 4, 2010 3:23:19 GMT -5
I'm now upset about not having a tail.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Jun 4, 2010 3:27:07 GMT -5
Eh, they're often removed around the time the person is born, actually.
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Post by sonickid01 on Jun 4, 2010 8:35:02 GMT -5
When we say extra parts like extra digits and webbing are a mutation, though is it truly a random mutation that wasn't there in he individual's ancestry (and just looks like something in the past line of organisms) or is it really a vestigial gene, i.e., something that was "lost" and repressed down just reappearing in the phylogeny?
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Post by Vene on Jun 4, 2010 10:38:23 GMT -5
Creationists (and the vast majority of humans) don't count it as a tail because it doesn't stick out. Hell, it's what, two bones long? Seriously... Some human tails do stick out more than two inches though, and even have muscles that allow them to be wagged. Oh, I missed that sentence. Yes, the tailbone counts as vestigial. I don't care what most people think, it's vestigial. It is a part of us that no longer serves the same purpose today as it did in the past. Hell, we have genes that are vestigial (pseudogenes, look them up).
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Post by dasfuchs on Jun 4, 2010 10:58:18 GMT -5
[/li][li]crotch hair [/quote] Oh no, this does serve a point. Ever bump uglies with both people shaved clean? There's a lot of friction down there
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Jun 4, 2010 11:14:40 GMT -5
When we say extra parts like extra digits and webbing are a mutation, though is it truly a random mutation that wasn't there in he individual's ancestry (and just looks like something in the past line of organisms) or is it really a vestigial gene, i.e., something that was "lost" and repressed down just reappearing in the phylogeny? Just to relate my own experience, I have an extra thumb, so does my aunt second removed. Same mutation too; the right thumb has a stub growing almost 45 degrees outb. None of my immediate family members or cousins have the eleventh finger though. However knowing 2 or 3 out of 40-50 is still a bit higher than the general population, even if we're counting all polydactly cases.
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Post by Vene on Jun 4, 2010 11:25:52 GMT -5
When we say extra parts like extra digits and webbing are a mutation, though is it truly a random mutation that wasn't there in he individual's ancestry (and just looks like something in the past line of organisms) or is it really a vestigial gene, i.e., something that was "lost" and repressed down just reappearing in the phylogeny? Well, with polydactyly that can't really be called vestigial at all. It's a mutation of genes that are already functioning. Like, one of them in the wiki says that it's a result of a mutation in sonic hedgehog, a gene that is very much important to development in all of us. Not sure about finger webbing, but I find it far more likely that the genes that are causing the majority of these conditions are developmental in nature and involve currently existing genes fucking up rather than reviving old genes. After all, most of our evolution was the result of the expression of our genes changing rather than new genes popping into existence.
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Post by sonickid01 on Jun 4, 2010 11:45:00 GMT -5
Interesting. By extra digits though I think there were ancient ancestor reptiles with like 7 digits on each foot, so that's what the extra digits reminded me of. I didn't realize it's one gene copying a set number of times, not a gene with a number of fingers.
I know of a famous Indian actor who has a double thumb as well. It's certainly cool to have it.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Jun 4, 2010 11:56:22 GMT -5
I know of a famous Indian actor who has a double thumb as well. It's certainly cool to have it. Hrithik Roshan. ![](http://www.bollywoodhott.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/hrithik-roshan.jpg) I'd rather have his abs.
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