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Post by Thejebusfire on Jun 18, 2010 20:18:50 GMT -5
No, that would be someone like Stephen Colbert. I have no doubt in my mind that Beck is completly serious.
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Post by ltfred on Jun 18, 2010 23:47:51 GMT -5
I still maintain (speaking as a socialist myself) that anyone who thinks Obama is in any way a socialist needs their head examined. Isn't the United States already technically a socialist country? I'm probably dead wrong about this but since the government owns and operates some basic infrastructures and services then doesn't that make the U.S. is a socialist country? Simple answer: no. Not even close. Complex answer: Socialism is a very broad ideology. I would not regard some of the people regarded as socialists- Stalin, Mao, even marx and Lenin- as truly believing in the narrower ideological views and objectives they expoused (and created). But if we take it at it's most broad meaning, all it means is banning capitalism, by whatever means that is to be undertaken. Capitalism is defined as the system of supply-and-demand, where the price of an item is defined by how much of it people want. The United States is a capitalist economy. Ergo, the government is not socialist. However, some of the narrower specific policies that Marx and others promoted to destroy capitalism; a graduated or progressive income tax, state ownership of industry and so on, have been employed by the US government. The main difference is, Obama's objectives and Stalin's objectives are vastly different.
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Post by booley on Jun 19, 2010 0:22:46 GMT -5
I could see Beck being a massive POE in which case well done sir. However that means that's been playing his conservative fans for suckers for years.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jun 19, 2010 1:21:49 GMT -5
There are people who cite The Onion for pete's sakes, it's not that hard to pull one over on people.
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Post by smilodon on Jun 19, 2010 18:54:29 GMT -5
Isn't the United States already technically a socialist country? I'm probably dead wrong about this but since the government owns and operates some basic infrastructures and services then doesn't that make the U.S. is a socialist country? Simple answer: no. Not even close. Complex answer: Socialism is a very broad ideology. I would not regard some of the people regarded as socialists- Stalin, Mao, even marx and Lenin- as truly believing in the narrower ideological views and objectives they expoused (and created). But if we take it at it's most broad meaning, all it means is banning capitalism, by whatever means that is to be undertaken. Capitalism is defined as the system of supply-and-demand, where the price of an item is defined by how much of it people want. The United States is a capitalist economy. Ergo, the government is not socialist. However, some of the narrower specific policies that Marx and others promoted to destroy capitalism; a graduated or progressive income tax, state ownership of industry and so on, have been employed by the US government. The main difference is, Obama's objectives and Stalin's objectives are vastly different. Ah okay. I might have heard a wrong definition back at high school. My mistake. Although I don't think Obama is trying to "destroy" capitalism per se, more like keeping it in check.
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Post by big_electron on Jun 19, 2010 23:17:30 GMT -5
Jonah Goldberg was a guest on the Glenn Beck show, and is the author of Liberal Fascism, in which he alleges that Hitler was a liberal.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Jun 19, 2010 23:35:00 GMT -5
Most people who make those claims about Hitler, don't know anything about Hitler.
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Post by big_electron on Jun 20, 2010 1:11:21 GMT -5
Glenn Beck really could be crazy. He is a recovered drug addict, and could be having a relapse. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a nervous breakdown on the air someday.
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Post by SimSim on Jun 20, 2010 7:40:44 GMT -5
Jonah Goldberg was a guest on the Glenn Beck show, and is the author of Liberal Fascism, in which he alleges that Hitler was a liberal. I saw part of that episode, and was ranting in irc about it. It was like a trainwreck, I wanted to look away, but I couldn't. I swear, that episode used more stock footage of the Nuremberg rallies than probably any of the propaganda the Nazis made at the time. Totally anecdotal, but I know as a liberal, I often get the urge to commit mass genocide. Oh wait, no I don't.
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Post by katz on Jun 20, 2010 18:17:31 GMT -5
Glenn Beck used to be a whole lot less crazy back when he wasn't on Fox. He was always hard to the right, of course, but he also backed up his statements with actual facts and logical reasoning.
I personally think where he's at now is a combination of a decay in his journalistic practices and pandering to the people who watch Fox. He is the Maury Show of broadcasters.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Jun 21, 2010 9:24:40 GMT -5
Glenn Beck really could be crazy. He is a recovered drug addict, and could be having a relapse. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a nervous breakdown on the air someday. getoffmyphone.ytmnd.com/Ahem.
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Post by mice34 on Jun 23, 2010 0:19:04 GMT -5
Intellectual my ass. He's ignorant about most basic facts of the world. He may be turning the wacky up to 11 for effect and fake-crying, but he is not smart and he is not reasonable. He was a dumbass on CNN, too.
This is just more of liberals not wanting to admit people are really as stupid as they seem. They are.
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Post by reynagade on Jun 23, 2010 18:12:56 GMT -5
I sure hope you don't watch that doddering fool Olbermann while you're criticising Beck. Last time I watched, he dedicated half of his show to bashing Bush on god knows what, complete with an incoherent, rambling rant. It's gotten to the point where it's an honor to be one of his "Worst People in the World."
And that was how long ago? If you're going to bash someone on what they do, at least keep up with the times. In fact, if you dislike that kind of things, avoid a lot editorial cartoons, they do it all the time.
On the topic of Glenn Beck, is he crazy? Nope, he's a comedian putting a comedic spin on his commentary. He has played up his "craziness" in response to liberal pundits accusing him of craziness.
You're right, he is a comedian, but not in a "ha-ha" kind of funny, more like a, "it's so pathetic to see him reach so much that it's actually comical." But considering that he claimed he was a comedian, why do people like yourself take him seriously? Oh he's saying what you wanna say? Gotcha...
Is he right about everything? No, nobody is. However, nobody can deny that he truly cares about what he brings up on his show. Although he can go too far, I always sense a love for America in Beck's show. I never get a feeling of anything close to patriotism on Olbermann's show.
So when an individual talks out of his/her ass, feeding you want you wanna hear, that makes that automatically makes the individual have a sense of love for America?
However when a individual actually brings facts to the table, suddenly, he/she's a commie? FAIL
Beck is also an eloquent writer and speaker. His book Common Sense is very well-written and worth reading. He doesn't deserve to be hit with the same schoolyard insults as some of the less-intellectual conservative pundits out there.
If I was to EVER read a book from Glenn Beck, it better be about how people who he insulted, came back and whooped his ass, because if I don't like anything the guy says now, what makes you think I'm going to read a book he made? And it's called "Common Sense"? Sounds to me that you're a puppet. Nothing more than a puppet-masters plaything, so why should we take anything you say, and make it a valid opinion? Ask yourself, should anything for that matter take a person's word for what it is about something without looking into it themselves?
If you want to REALLY be taken seriously in a political debate, calling people who demonstrate peacefully within their Constitutional rights derogatory names like "tea-baggers" is not a great start. The correct term is "Tea Party protesters."
If I'm not mistaken, Tea-Party protesters get their information from ONE source, without any other type of information of any kind. Besides, I can't take a group seriously if they take people like, Sarah Palin, and put them on a high throne. Anyone who takes anything from Fox News without doing any other kind of resource, is an idiot and puppet at best.
And by the way, Ron Paul has harshly criticised Bush for his views on enemy combatants and other liberal policies like the Patriot Act. I don't think Obama is anything like Hitler, but with his socialist policies and disdain for everyday Americans, he's drawing ever closer to a Communist "leader."
And Obama is Hitler in any way... how? Granted, there's some things I don't particularly like that he does in terms of his policies, that's with everyone in politics, but it's people like you who don't know what a word like "socialist" mean but hear it enough times from people and claim it to be valid.
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