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Post by fundierefugee on Apr 8, 2009 15:09:58 GMT -5
What makes any of you think that others should see their hypocrisy when none of you see your own??? Kindly show us this hypocrisy... please. We'll wait.... It's all around you, just open your eyes. Or, actually, open up your mind. If we were standing in a forest in New York, and you said, "Ha, those idiots out in California love to stand in the middle of trees!" and I replied, "Well, we're standing in the middle of trees," and you in turn replied, "Kindly show me these trees...please. I'll wait..." then I would say, "They're all around you, just open your eyes." Of course, the problem wouldn't be with your eyes, because you'd see the trees... The problem would be with your mind, because you'd be incapable of identifying - or, more realistically, unwilling to identify - the trees you see as "trees". Same thing here. The hypocrisy is all around you, starting with the premise of this message forum. If you can't see it, then it's not that you don't see the hypocrisy - it's right in front of you. But, you can't see it for what it is.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Apr 8, 2009 15:09:58 GMT -5
ETA: I see you posted while I was writing. Mind explaining how mocking fundamentalists is necessarily hypocritical?
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Post by peanutfan on Apr 8, 2009 15:16:13 GMT -5
Kindly show us this hypocrisy... please. We'll wait.... It's all around you, just open your eyes. Or, actually, open up your mind. If we were standing in a forest in New York, and you said, "Ha, those idiots out in California love to stand in the middle of trees!" and I replied, "Well, we're standing in the middle of trees," and you in turn replied, "Kindly show me these trees...please. I'll wait..." then I would say, "They're all around you, just open your eyes." Of course, the problem wouldn't be with your eyes, because you'd see the trees... The problem would be with your mind, because you'd be incapable of identifying - or, more realistically, unwilling to identify - the trees you see as "trees". Same thing here. The hypocrisy is all around you, starting with the premise of this message forum. If you can't see it, then it's not that you don't see the hypocrisy - it's right in front of you. But, you can't see it for what it is. In other words, "if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you". It's not a valid argument tactic when one is mad at their spouse, and it's not a valid argument tactic here. To paraphrase a common saying on this site... "Examples or STFU."
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Post by fundierefugee on Apr 8, 2009 15:16:31 GMT -5
ETA: I see you posted while I was writing. Mind explaining how mocking fundamentalists is necessarily hypocritical? Because mockery is what people resort to when they have no rational or logical arguments. Ergo, those who mock others for lacking "logic" are hypocrites.
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Post by Vene on Apr 8, 2009 15:18:50 GMT -5
Because mockery is what people resort to when they have no rational or logical arguments. Please provide support for this assumption. Without it, you have no argument.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Apr 8, 2009 15:20:13 GMT -5
Mocking is what I resort to when I'm bored, or when logic fails to get through. You fail, try again
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Post by rebelliousscot on Apr 8, 2009 15:20:35 GMT -5
ETA: I see you posted while I was writing. Mind explaining how mocking fundamentalists is necessarily hypocritical? Because mockery is what people resort to when they have no rational or logical arguments. Ergo, those who mock others for lacking "logic" are hypocrites. Shakespere mocked people, does that make him a hypocrite and can I just say why you insist calling us hypocrites. for you are surely guilty of it. I'm agnostic and I've gone with I don't know. To paraphrase Mark Twain, "No weapon in the whole world is more powerful than laughter." I hope you can see now.
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Post by fundierefugee on Apr 8, 2009 15:26:10 GMT -5
Because mockery is what people resort to when they have no rational or logical arguments. Please provide support for this assumption. Without it, you have no argument. Mockery is a form of verbal abuse and a form of bullying. Are you arguing that bullying is a rational and logical way to handle disagreements? Or are you just calling for proof to distract from the discussion? I have a feeling we both know and agree that verbal harrassment and abuse are not what the logic-minded engage in. Don't be so disingenuous, much less in the name of "logic".
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Post by fundierefugee on Apr 8, 2009 15:26:56 GMT -5
Mocking is what I resort to when I'm bored, or when logic fails to get through. You fail, try again So you're insisting that logical, rational people resort to mocking when they fail to successfully use logic? Amazing.
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Post by fundierefugee on Apr 8, 2009 15:28:45 GMT -5
Because mockery is what people resort to when they have no rational or logical arguments. Ergo, those who mock others for lacking "logic" are hypocrites. Shakespere mocked people, does that make him a hypocrite and can I just say why you insist calling us hypocrites. for you are surely guilty of it. I'm agnostic and I've gone with I don't know. To paraphrase Mark Twain, "No weapon in the whole world is more powerful than laughter." I hope you can see now. Shakespeare's mockery wasn't personal, like the mockery on this board is. There are forms of mockery that are abusive and self-serving, and that is what these forums are mostly based on.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Apr 8, 2009 15:29:57 GMT -5
Mocking is what I resort to when I'm bored, or when logic fails to get through. You fail, try again So you're insisting that logical, rational people resort to mocking when they fail to successfully use logic? Amazing. No, what I said was that I use mocking when whoever I'm arguing with ignores logic. You fail once again, have another try.
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Post by gotpwnt on Apr 8, 2009 15:31:02 GMT -5
Mocking is what I resort to when I'm bored, or when logic fails to get through. You fail, try again So you're insisting that logical, rational people resort to mocking when they fail to successfully use logic? Amazing. Current said that he mockes people when they fail to understand logic. Kind of like how you are failing to understand it now.
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Post by m52nickerson on Apr 8, 2009 15:31:37 GMT -5
Mocking is what I resort to when I'm bored, or when logic fails to get through. You fail, try again So you're insisting that logical, rational people resort to mocking when they fail to successfully use logic? Amazing. No logical, rational people use mockery when the people that are talking to are shown a logical argument and are ignored.
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Post by crazalus on Apr 8, 2009 15:33:04 GMT -5
Kindly show us this hypocrisy... please. We'll wait.... It's all around you, just open your eyes. Or, actually, open up your mind. If we were standing in a forest in New York, and you said, "Ha, those idiots out in California love to stand in the middle of trees!" and I replied, "Well, we're standing in the middle of trees," and you in turn replied, "Kindly show me these trees...please. I'll wait..." then I would say, "They're all around you, just open your eyes." Of course, the problem wouldn't be with your eyes, because you'd see the trees... The problem would be with your mind, because you'd be incapable of identifying - or, more realistically, unwilling to identify - the trees you see as "trees". Same thing here. The hypocrisy is all around you, starting with the premise of this message forum. If you can't see it, then it's not that you don't see the hypocrisy - it's right in front of you. But, you can't see it for what it is. The premise of this message board, in fact... the premise of the entire site is to document and archive the stupid crap that a certain type of person likes to spout. If you think that what this site does is the same as the crap that this thread started with, then you've got a serious problem. I would like to point out that, despite what you think, there are people from this very message board who have been quoted on the Main Page... their very own stupidity has become part of the archives. Doing that refutes your accusation of "hypocrisy" much better than anything I could possibly say. Because mockery is what people resort to when they have no rational or logical arguments. Ergo, those who mock others for lacking "logic" are hypocrites. Or... Mockery is what comes when you say something so mind-bogglingly stupid that any attempt to correct you is just a waste of time. Of course, you've just been mocking us... so does that make you a hypocrite? (note that you have done to us what you claim we do to others... if that is mockery when we do it, then it is mockery when you do it... unless you want to claim a double standard, in which case it is only you who is a hypocrite) So you're insisting that logical, rational people resort to mocking when they fail to successfully use logic? Amazing. Most of the time, Mockery is used thanks to the complete inability of the Mockee to understand even simple logic/reasoning... Or, when they do some very blatent mis-understanding of very simple comments in an attempt to paint people in a bad light. You see... we mock those who fail to use logic... which means you'll be getting mocked any time now......
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Post by crazalus on Apr 8, 2009 15:36:43 GMT -5
Shakespeare's mockery wasn't personal, like the mockery on this board is. There are forms of mockery that are abusive and self-serving, and that is what these forums are mostly based on. Quite a lot of Shakespere's Mockery was personal... and abusive at times. You're doing quite well on the "stupid" front... and your logic-fail ability has been made clear too...
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