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Post by szaleniec on Nov 7, 2010 9:32:54 GMT -5
Well, D&D mage would be a Cleric (fairly badass in the physical fighting sense), as well as Druid. Original D&D clerics were based on the martial priests of the Crusades, right down to the edged weapons prohibition, so you've got bad-ass right there. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 7, 2010 22:45:07 GMT -5
No, I wasn't implying such a thing. I was apologizing for my rant. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 8, 2010 12:44:28 GMT -5
You weren't purposely implying, you mean.
And I was ranting & not apologizing for it.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 9, 2010 2:13:32 GMT -5
You weren't purposely implying, you mean. And I was ranting & not apologizing for it. No, I wasn't implying that you didn't have pet peeves. Me saying I have major pet peeves does not exclude you from having pet peeves. But in either case, what pisses me off more than FF12 (I hate to say it, but even though I kinda like the game, everything you've said is basically right) is how they handled the balance of power in FF11. Black mages were basically powerless. I mean, seriously, a class that can burn you, freeze you, tear you apart with raging winds, crush you with boulders, and strike you with thunder... deals less overall damage than a lanky elf dude with a sword. Black Mages, by theme, should have been the DPS role, but it seems like ever since Everquest, MMO developers are scared to have mages have DPS. Wizards, from what I hear, were awesome for their DPS. Let me kinda summarize the whole thing here... WoW: I think this may actually be an aversion, since Mages are still DPS and still worth it to bring on raids... I think. FF11: Black Mages are completely worthless without melees using their weapon skills in a certain order to create a fusion skillchain that allows a magic burst to occur. That's the only time they can deal any decent damage. Otherwise, the melees completely outdamage them, and the Black Mage basically has to spend time healing. Yes. The one who can cast spells that knock you down... has to heal. Shame. Runes of Magic: Mages are now strictly crowd control in end-game. Allods Online: I have no idea what they're trying to do with Mages in this game. DDO: Well, I'll accept this just fine because Sorcerers and Wizards are strictly awesome because of all the things they can do. Arcanes have the easiest time soloing any quest, and it doesn't always involve nuking enemies. Sometimes, it involves casting invisibility and running past them. Othertimes, it involves Taking a Level of Fighter without actually taking a level of fighter through the spell "Master's Touch", that allows you to wield the martial weapon you're currently holding as if you were proficient with it. Runescape: Just kidding. Phantasy Star Online: Forces are great. Until Ultimate, in which case, you deal so little damage you actually piss your allies off if you bother casting so much as a fireball. To put things straight: FOnewearl, the class with the lowest ATP (Attack Power) in the game and the highest MST (Mental Strength) in the game, deals more damage with her physical attacks than she does using a tech against an enemy that's actually weak to that tech. That is severely messed up. Phantasy Star Universe (and sequel): Force DPS is completely inferior to Physical DPS in every single way towards the end of the game. Even Newmans, the race that are the least physical and the most magical, are better off becoming a Hunter rather than a Force. Phantasy Star Zero: Forces are actually quite awesome. With their physical attacks. No, seriously, Forces deal more damage with their physical attacks than Hunters do with theirs, since Force weapons use MST in their calculations for their physical attacks. Hunters do tend to live longer, though. So, this is sort of an aversion, especially since Force Photon Arts (the physical equivalent of techs that are weapon specific) tend to be magical, ranging from helicoptering up with a wand and then butt-dropping a group of enemies, riding a staff as if it was a rodeo horse, creating a stairway to heaven and throwing sparkling death everywhere, and even thrusting their staff into the ground and creating a giant earthquake. Yes, I'm serious about all these. I listed some aversions as well because they're kinda relevant. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 9, 2010 14:36:06 GMT -5
Listen, you, I will claim you are implying whatever I want to claim you are implying.
Woot!
Could be worse. They could use status effects.
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Post by Vene on Nov 9, 2010 22:22:20 GMT -5
I don't know, my wizard in Ragnarok was pretty damn good at dps. Shit soloer, but with good equipment (and especially with a bard in that party), damn he got killy.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 10, 2010 4:23:07 GMT -5
Listen, you, I will claim you are implying whatever I want to claim you are implying. Oh, I see, you were being humorous. Sorry, that's really one of my weak points. I have a great tolerance for flaws in video games  I think that's part of what they boil down to. |
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Post by Haseen on Nov 16, 2010 7:06:14 GMT -5
Jade has been mentioned, and I second it. He's easily my favorite video game character of all time.
This happens shortly after Luke gives Jade crap for being old (in his case, his 30's)
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 16, 2010 14:16:42 GMT -5
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Post by wolfgangravenna on Nov 25, 2010 14:55:57 GMT -5
How do you make a mage badass?
Simple: Give them a sword/gun/light saber, give them leather/metal/kevlar/plastic armor and tell them "Use yourself as a weapon, you shit." Then slap them for good measure.
Playing Oblivion, learning magic was SIMPLY a hobby, nothing more. Nothing alchemy and forging couldn't solve.
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Post by brandonl337 on Nov 30, 2010 22:38:49 GMT -5
Give them nigh-godlike power.
for example turning the air into fire, crushing your opponent into a crumpled ball of gore by clenching their fist, roasting someone's brain, pulling people to pieces totally effortlessly.
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Post by Tiberius on Dec 1, 2010 0:06:14 GMT -5
I CAME UP WITH SOMETHING!
Give the mage in question incredible powers... but make it painful for him to use them!
The fact that he is still willing to use his powers despite being in incredible pain makes him incredably badass.
Came up with the idea after remembering a 40k book starring a 'language of chaos' that would allow you to do all sorts of crazy stuff... but speaking it caused teeth to fly our of your mouth, massive headaches, and all sorts of other repercussions.
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Post by Vene on Dec 3, 2010 0:18:45 GMT -5
Read The Black Company, squishy wizards they ain't.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Dec 3, 2010 1:21:54 GMT -5
I've got the solution. You make them like Black Mage in 8-Bit. Sure, he's a complete monster who would sell out his closest friend for no reason, or even a diet soda, whose drive in life is to murder children & the elderly en masse with fire, lightning, & Hadokens, but I'm not seeing a problem here, are you?
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Post by Sigmaleph on Dec 3, 2010 10:00:12 GMT -5
Black Mage was evil, but not badass, Though badassery was somewhat impeded by 8-bit theater being comedy.
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