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Post by brendanjd on Apr 17, 2009 7:23:02 GMT -5
Y'know, it still pisses me off that so many times, when someone stands up to the bullies, the ones who stand up to them are the ones who get punished. I wound up in a similar situation. I will tell more tomorrow night. You're right. In this day and age there is a double standard for the bullies and theirvictims, despite awarness and anti-bullying programs. The bully gets a slap on the wrist and a dismissive "Boys/Girls will be boys/girls" or "It's all a part of growing up". The victim on the other hand gets caught in a shit storm whenever he decides that enough is enough and tries anything to stop the abuse.
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Post by Deimos on Apr 17, 2009 7:36:10 GMT -5
The whole bullying thing is insane in Australia. Im 19 and in year 12. And I have this group of Year 9 tools following me around the school and yelling TIMMEH! at me like in South Park. This is probably because I'm the Curriculum Support unit. I only have Asperger Syndrome. Fucking Assholes. I shouldn't have to put up with this crap!
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Post by Sandafluffoid on Apr 17, 2009 7:38:26 GMT -5
The whole bullying thing is insane in Australia. Im 19 and in year 12. And I have this group of Year 9 tools following me around the school and yelling TIMMEH! at me like in South Park. This is probably because I'm the Curriculum Support unit. I only have Asperger Syndrome. Fucking Assholes. I shouldn't have to put up with this crap! I have a year 8 fanclub, but not the good kind, the kind that you need bodyguards to defend you from. Thankfully I only have to encounter the involuntary education mob when I go to rehearsals.
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 17, 2009 11:01:40 GMT -5
Y'know, it still pisses me off that so many times, when someone stands up to the bullies, the ones who stand up to them are the ones who get punished. I wound up in a similar situation. I will tell more tomorrow night. You're right. In this day and age there is a double standard for the bullies and theirvictims, despite awarness and anti-bullying programs. The bully gets a slap on the wrist and a dismissive "Boys/Girls will be boys/girls" or "It's all a part of growing up". The victim on the other hand gets caught in a shit storm whenever he decides that enough is enough and tries anything to stop the abuse. I've been through that. In elementary and middle school, they did nothing to stop the bullying I dealt with. In High School I got fed up, and they threatened me with detentions, suspensions and expulsion. In more than one case, I had to threaten legal action just to keep in school. Meanwhile, they did nothing serious to the guys who had started it.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Apr 17, 2009 11:23:11 GMT -5
The fact that everyone has these bullying stories, I think, really highlights how horrible that AFA movie is. No, no, it's not that other kids and even teachers treat you like shit (when I was being bullied, my own 6th grade science teacher told the kid to stop--and her reasoning was that I looked like the type that would shoot up the school!) it's because you don't believe in God, or your parents don't smack you around enough, or they're teaching science in the science classroom (i.e. evolution). I find it fucking insulting that they would make that claim.
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Post by lessergnome on Apr 17, 2009 11:44:53 GMT -5
The fact that everyone has these bullying stories, I think, really highlights how horrible that AFA movie is. No, no, it's not that other kids and even teachers treat you like shit (when I was being bullied, my own 6th grade science teacher told the kid to stop--and her reasoning was that I looked like the type that would shoot up the school!) it's because you don't believe in God, or your parents don't smack you around enough, or they're teaching science in the science classroom (i.e. evolution). I find it fucking insulting that they would make that claim. Exactly, it is just more of the same from them. The public opinion seems to be that the students who get the most shiza are the ones to blame, because no one wants to a good hard look inside themselves and ask, "did I do something or say something that allowed this to happen?" The fact is, is that parents and teachers have more power than they believe, and if we all just steeped up, and tried to actually talk to the students and find out what is going down, I think school shootings and bullying would if not stop, at least fall by a huge margin.
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Post by Paradox on Apr 17, 2009 15:56:02 GMT -5
The fact that everyone has these bullying stories, I think, really highlights how horrible that AFA movie is. No, no, it's not that other kids and even teachers treat you like shit (when I was being bullied, my own 6th grade science teacher told the kid to stop--and her reasoning was that I looked like the type that would shoot up the school!) it's because you don't believe in God, or your parents don't smack you around enough, or they're teaching science in the science classroom (i.e. evolution). I find it fucking insulting that they would make that claim. Yes, but if we start having teachers lead kids in mandatory prayer in school, the magic Jesus fairy will make everything better! Fuck, not only is this terrible public policy, it's terrible religion. That's not even how prayer is supposed to work. Bah.
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Post by mistermuncher on Apr 17, 2009 17:48:40 GMT -5
For all those being bullied:
My heart goes out to ye. It does get better. Iff life has showed me nothing, it's that these fuckers will eventually lose their "power". I was beaten pretty much every day for eight-nine years. My crimes? Having long hair (at the time), answering teachers' questions, not playing football. I survived, and so can you.
There is only one answer. Stand as tall as you can, ignore all they try and say "fuck you" as loud and as often as you can bear it. Remember that the beatings arise only from their insecurity. Sure, it won't stop the pain at the time, but it helps afterward. Let no-one stop you being who you are. Expect no help, but grab it where and when it exists.
One day, you'll be past it. The shameless, fuckwitted bastards who are giving you shit will never. Go to college/uni.the next town. Find strength in numbers. You can move on. The bully never can without relinquishing their behaviour. At best, they can apologise, at worst, you can laugh as their life goes down the pan.
Be strong. It's only your body. Your consciousness will prevail.
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Post by the sandman on Apr 17, 2009 18:13:17 GMT -5
Bullying has always been a Gordian Knot for educators, which is why I suspect it was ignored and accepted for so long. No one could figure out the slightest thing that could actually be done about it.
Think about it: you have several extremes you can go for here. You can create a virtual police state in which all students are supervised at all times and no personal freedom or privacy is permitted. Unfortunately, as we have learned ('cause, yeah, that's been tried), this 1984 mentality doesn't actually stop the bullying. In fact, it could be easily considered a form of bullying in and of itself.
Or, you can start a culture of informants and snitches, where everything is supposed to be reported to a teacher and no action is to ever be taken to defend yourself other than turning in the bully. Well, we have been doing pretty much this for a few decades now, and as is easily discovered...it doesn't work. In fact, it frequently makes bullying worse as "repisals" for "snitching" start to become common. Eventually teachers will exhaust themselves and just give up.
But neither can you just say "WAGGHHH!!!!" and tell everyone to charge in with the Beyond Thunderdome crap. Can you imagine a school where Godfather style attack-counterattack, incident-reprisal, vengence and eye-for-an-eye "justice" was permitted? Can you imagine what it would be like? Schools are already too chaotic as it is.
I will never understand the mentality of those who insist on turning their environments into conflict-laden warzones. The "students" who insist on acting like English 101 is Cellblock C and the cafeteria is the Prison Commissary baffle me.
The truth is that there are no simple answers to this. On the one hand bullying can not be tolerated, but on the other hand, neither is it effective for staff to intervene in a lot of cases. On the one hand it is essential in life that you learn to handle your own problems, but on the other hand we can't allow free-fire zones in schools. On the one hand we can't let violent, bullying "prison mentality" students to remain in schools, but on the other hand, what is the net effect of tossing them out on their asses? There are no simple answers.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Apr 17, 2009 19:20:32 GMT -5
Well, since everyone is telling bulling stories, I guess I'll tell mine. I was held back in 5th grade because my math skills were very poor and my teacher didn't think the 6th grade school would have the math class I needed. During my repeat year, I experienced a lot of bullying. One day, at the bus stop, a neighborhood bully threw a huge rock at my face. I had to get stiches and I had to have an emergency root canal since it took out a huge chunk of my tooth.
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 17, 2009 22:38:05 GMT -5
Eh, I was the fat, glasses wearing kid that took up band vs playing sports, etc. Never got many beatings, mostly it was just the cruel stuff, the name calling, poking, simple stuff that wore on your mentality more than your body. I had a few outbursts where i couldn't take it anymore and laid down my own law either by beating the crap out of an aggressor or just walking out of class. I spent a lot of time in the counseling center because the teachers thought there was something wrong with me. I was just tired of taking the issues up with the adults and nothing coming of it. Once i got into 11th grade most of it stopped from my classmates, but then the younger kids started in, things like gum on my varsity jacket, knocking stuff off my desks, flicking stuff at me, spitwads and the like. Once I graduated that was the happiest day of my life, I wouldn't be forced to sit around those pricks ever again
on an after thought note, one of my longer, more abusive bullies was put away in jail a few years after for beating the hell out of some guy in a store. I think that annoys me the most because I suffered under his crap for years so he could get an education just to go off and spend a lot of time in jail
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Post by stormwarden on Apr 18, 2009 0:03:57 GMT -5
Now to tell mine. Got my collarbone broken by one in sixth grade. Bastard viewed me as a fave target for not fearing him. School didn't call an ambulance. They sent me home on a bus with my backpack. I ended up waiting four hours in the hospital before being seen.
I remember later that the bully in question had been held back for quite some time. I won't say how long, except that I was ahead of him when I was a freshman in high school.
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Post by Paradox on Apr 18, 2009 0:05:27 GMT -5
Bullying has always been a Gordian Knot for educators, which is why I suspect it was ignored and accepted for so long. No one could figure out the slightest thing that could actually be done about it. Think about it: you have several extremes you can go for here. You can create a virtual police state in which all students are supervised at all times and no personal freedom or privacy is permitted. Unfortunately, as we have learned ('cause, yeah, that's been tried), this 1984 mentality doesn't actually stop the bullying. In fact, it could be easily considered a form of bullying in and of itself. Or, you can start a culture of informants and snitches, where everything is supposed to be reported to a teacher and no action is to ever be taken to defend yourself other than turning in the bully. Well, we have been doing pretty much this for a few decades now, and as is easily discovered...it doesn't work. In fact, it frequently makes bullying worse as "repisals" for "snitching" start to become common. Eventually teachers will exhaust themselves and just give up. But neither can you just say "WAGGHHH!!!!" and tell everyone to charge in with the Beyond Thunderdome crap. Can you imagine a school where Godfather style attack-counterattack, incident-reprisal, vengence and eye-for-an-eye "justice" was permitted? Can you imagine what it would be like? Schools are already too chaotic as it is. I will never understand the mentality of those who insist on turning their environments into conflict-laden warzones. The "students" who insist on acting like English 101 is Cellblock C and the cafeteria is the Prison Commissary baffle me. The truth is that there are no simple answers to this. On the one hand bullying can not be tolerated, but on the other hand, neither is it effective for staff to intervene in a lot of cases. On the one hand it is essential in life that you learn to handle your own problems, but on the other hand we can't allow free-fire zones in schools. On the one hand we can't let violent, bullying "prison mentality" students to remain in schools, but on the other hand, what is the net effect of tossing them out on their asses? There are no simple answers. My solution involves a shotgun and hollow-point rounds, but then I'm kind of biased. The fuckers tormented me straight through my senior year of high school. We dealt with a few of them, if it gets bad enough it can qualify as harassment, but I also had to change a few classes to get away from them. Fuckers.
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