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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Dec 17, 2010 19:09:11 GMT -5
[citation needed]
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Post by ltfred on Dec 17, 2010 19:23:32 GMT -5
I'd like to hear both sides on that as well. I don't think the cops were just going to club him and drag him for just sitting there. I'd have to assume he was instigating something through words and antagonizing the cops. they overstepped their bounds, sure, but over nothing but a guy only sitting in a wheel chair...I doubt it Read the Grauniad interview, he seems to like protesting regardless of the cause. It seems to seems to me that he's complaining because the policy is poor*, rather than out of self-interest. That isn't an illegitimate basis for complaint. Claiming that it is is like calling the white supporters of civil rights n-lovers. *The policy is a fad, not a rational choice. It's not necessary and it's certainly not prudent; the government is cutting spending because the popular countries are. It's an even worse policy for cutting something vital like tertiary education, rather than something useless like wealthy people's income.
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Post by dasfuchs on Dec 17, 2010 19:24:42 GMT -5
I'd like to hear both sides on that as well. I don't think the cops were just going to club him and drag him for just sitting there. I'd have to assume he was instigating something through words and antagonizing the cops. they overstepped their bounds, sure, but over nothing but a guy only sitting in a wheel chair...I doubt it Read the Grauniad interview, he seems to like protesting regardless of the cause. Yeah, I don't want to really base anything off one side because they can always be changing things to favor themselves. I want to hear from the cops what their reasoning was
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Post by brandonl337 on Dec 17, 2010 19:45:16 GMT -5
I can't point you to any articles but Citizen Radio has been covering the protest a lot recently and have done a couple interviews www.wearecitizenradio.com/home.htmYou'll have to look through the last couple shows but it shouldn't be hard to find. Obviously you can also get the show on iTunes.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 17, 2010 20:22:45 GMT -5
Page 2 and no AA saying all cops are evil and corrupt. i am disappoint.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 17, 2010 20:33:04 GMT -5
Page 2 and no AA saying all cops are evil and corrupt. i am disappoint. Dammit, you jinxed us! You jinxed us all!
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Post by dasfuchs on Dec 17, 2010 21:40:13 GMT -5
Maybe he's just holed up in his bunker full of supplies to wait out the impending elimination of the human species over wikileaks
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Dec 17, 2010 22:37:11 GMT -5
He hasn't shown up to bitch about cops because it would actually be on topic in this thread.
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Post by scotsgit on Dec 18, 2010 7:43:00 GMT -5
Sheesh. Where to start..... There is no 'British Police', there are Police forces throughout the UK. There is no single entity called the 'British Police'. Secondly, the protests they want banned are the ones involving the student fees, which have turned violent all too quickly. The Police forces involved may want to ban them, however it would take an act of Parliament to do so. However, there is no disguising the fact that there has been, and until the NUS gets its finger out and actually does something (for a change), there probably will continue to be violence at these demonstrations. They are already heavily Policed and the Police have better things to do with their time, rather than have half of the Police officer in London (from both the Met and City) Policing demonstrations where there those who want violence. However, they will have to do so. Sheesh. While I won't directly disagree with you with you y'know actually being there and that brick were thrown and windows smashed, much of the violence and vandalism has been cooked up by the police and the media. The Bobbies(are they still called that?) are for all intents and purposes kidnapping these kids by boxing them into the areas they choose to protest in and not letting them leave. They are often unable to get food and are kept there for hours on end, supposedly for "public protection." One memorable story i heard was someone protesting on a bridge with a large crowd and poor railings, the police kept closing the gap forcing people to be squashed against each other and nearly causing several to fall. Never mind the fact that the student have legit grievances in that the tuition hikes are pricing the middle class out of university(college) I never said that they didn't have a legitimate grievance, however, picking fights and then running off crying when you get hit are not the way to go about things. Acts of vandalism (like the cretins who defaced the Cenotaph) are not the way to go about things. They are not, in any sense of the word, kidnapping anyone. The technique is called kettling. It's designed to be unpleasant. It keeps protestors (who have comitted violence in the past) in one area until all they want to do is leave. Compare that to other countries where rubber bullets, tear gas and water canon seem the norm, would you prefer that? No, they're not allowed out to get food/water/toilet breaks. That's what makes kettling effective.
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Post by shadowpanther on Dec 18, 2010 8:02:33 GMT -5
While I won't directly disagree with you with you y'know actually being there and that brick were thrown and windows smashed, much of the violence and vandalism has been cooked up by the police and the media. The Bobbies(are they still called that?) are for all intents and purposes kidnapping these kids by boxing them into the areas they choose to protest in and not letting them leave. They are often unable to get food and are kept there for hours on end, supposedly for "public protection." One memorable story i heard was someone protesting on a bridge with a large crowd and poor railings, the police kept closing the gap forcing people to be squashed against each other and nearly causing several to fall. Never mind the fact that the student have legit grievances in that the tuition hikes are pricing the middle class out of university(college) I never said that they didn't have a legitimate grievance, however, picking fights and then running off crying when you get hit are not the way to go about things. Acts of vandalism (like the cretins who defaced the Cenotaph) are not the way to go about things. They are not, in any sense of the word, kidnapping anyone. The technique is called kettling. It's designed to be unpleasant. It keeps protestors (who have comitted violence in the past) in one area until all they want to do is leave. Compare that to other countries where rubber bullets, tear gas and water canon seem the norm, would you prefer that? No, they're not allowed out to get food/water/toilet breaks. That's what makes kettling effective. Nice to see I'm not the only one who thought the little shits got what was coming to them. Dear protesters. Congratulations you have managed to convince me (a student) to support these rises on the principle that you've got it fucking coming.
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Post by aboveathletics on Dec 18, 2010 9:19:57 GMT -5
I'd like to hear both sides on that as well. I don't think the cops were just going to club him and drag him for just sitting there. I'd have to assume he was instigating something through words and antagonizing the cops. they overstepped their bounds, sure, but over nothing but a guy only sitting in a wheel chair...I doubt it And that rape victim was TOTALLY asking for it by wearing such a short skirt and walking along. This is blaming the victim mentality worthy of love shy. Also to all jackasses saying you want to hear both sides of BEATING UP A DISABLED PERSON. I am curious if you are also "interested" in John Wayne Gacy or BTK's "side of the story." Why do you only defend sociopathic monsters when they are cops. At least be consistent about it. Geez, just replace "God" with "State" and this place would be identical to Rapture Ready.
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Post by dasfuchs on Dec 18, 2010 11:29:41 GMT -5
I'd like to hear both sides on that as well. I don't think the cops were just going to club him and drag him for just sitting there. I'd have to assume he was instigating something through words and antagonizing the cops. they overstepped their bounds, sure, but over nothing but a guy only sitting in a wheel chair...I doubt it And that rape victim was TOTALLY asking for it by wearing such a short skirt and walking along. This is blaming the victim mentality worthy of love shy. Also to all jackasses saying you want to hear both sides of BEATING UP A DISABLED PERSON. I am curious if you are also "interested" in John Wayne Gacy or BTK's "side of the story." Why do you only defend sociopathic monsters when they are cops. At least be consistent about it. Geez, just replace "God" with "State" and this place would be identical to Rapture Ready. Yes, I know your default is "Police bad", but for once, think that the cops might not just be doing this to get their jollies...kinda like how people here need to be aggravated by you to come jump your ass with every post
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Dec 18, 2010 12:35:55 GMT -5
AA: In case you missed it, most of us said that we have trouble believing that dragging a disabled guy from a wheelchair could be justifiable, especially when he's unable to move his chair himself. However, there's a huge difference between saying that you want to hear the other side of the story and instantly taking the police's side. Your state = god rant is way over the top, and the comment about rape victims is just plain uncalled for.
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Post by faythofdragons on Dec 18, 2010 13:01:20 GMT -5
I'd like to hear both sides on that as well. I don't think the cops were just going to club him and drag him for just sitting there. I'd have to assume he was instigating something through words and antagonizing the cops. they overstepped their bounds, sure, but over nothing but a guy only sitting in a wheel chair...I doubt it Read the Grauniad interview, he seems to like protesting regardless of the cause. It also said in the Guardian article that he was "inspired by Che Guevara", and viewed himself as a revolutionary. This raises all kinds of red flags.
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Post by faythofdragons on Dec 18, 2010 13:05:05 GMT -5
I'd like to hear both sides on that as well. I don't think the cops were just going to club him and drag him for just sitting there. I'd have to assume he was instigating something through words and antagonizing the cops. they overstepped their bounds, sure, but over nothing but a guy only sitting in a wheel chair...I doubt it And that rape victim was TOTALLY asking for it by wearing such a short skirt and walking along. This is blaming the victim mentality worthy of love shy. Actually, it would be similar to this one "rape victim" I knew, who would prey on guys, claim rape later, and get damages.
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