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Post by Undecided on Apr 19, 2009 23:00:48 GMT -5
The thing is, most governments and ideologies don't correspond exactly to the words used to describe them. Liberalism and conservatism mean different things to different people.
Gulags and death camps, we hardly knew ye...
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Post by Art Vandelay on Apr 19, 2009 23:19:34 GMT -5
On the political compass, both Nazism and Stalinism are very close together (socially authoritarian and a high level of governmnet controll on the economy). AFAIK Marxism advocates social liberalism and a centrally planned economy so it would be fairly differant to Nazism (and pretty much every form of communism in practice), I think the problem is that people tend to think Marxism = Stalinism.
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Post by ltfred on Apr 20, 2009 5:24:59 GMT -5
Well, that's one of the big arguments I hear: "Yeah, well the Nazis were a leftist movement, that's why they were called National Socialists. Fascism was a left-wing movement." He is not a historian. He has no credibility. He is not an honest commentator. He is merely grinding his movement's axe. Needless to say, 98.7% of everything that comes out of his mouth, and 125% of what he's written down is 180% exactly-opposite-to-reality. For a start, one of fascism's primary tenents is anti-liberalism. They are not interested in the rule of law, human rights, consent of the governed, rationality, or any other of the characteristics of liberalism. So fascism is liberalism in the same way conservatism is liberalism: not at all. But IMO, much of both Marxist and fascist political theory is just an invention to justify the true social goal that lies in common between those systems: concentration of power in the hands of the people who developed the philosophy.
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Post by Tiger on Apr 20, 2009 10:45:58 GMT -5
Communism and fascism are actually fairly similar--they're both statist systems of government. It's Marxism and fascism that are totally different. Communism as practiced in the U.S.S.R., China, etc. has little to do with the ideas laid down by Karl Marx.
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Post by theamericancowboy on Apr 20, 2009 18:39:35 GMT -5
Tiger, have you read anything by Mussolini on the original facist political theory? It was very different from communism.
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Post by karl on May 1, 2009 14:25:50 GMT -5
Nazis were not fascists, The german fascists concidered the nazi party to be dirty common little oiks.The nazis were actualy closer to communists in a lot of their ideas than fascists.
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