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Post by Vene on Sept 25, 2010 22:14:28 GMT -5
I was tempted to fix it further, but it involves replacing the whole thing with a single word. But, I don't feel like typing out a racial slur, even in jest.
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Post by brendanjd on Sept 25, 2010 22:25:43 GMT -5
*bops you on the head with a stick* Don't ruin the moment! What happened to "OMFG DON'T USE KIDZ AS PROPS!!1111!"? So when the teabaggers use kids in protests its evil, but when gay rights people do exactly the same thing its suddenly adorable? Yeah, that is called hypocrisy. Generally, teabaggers use kids as a prop for spreading lies, hate, intolerance, and idiocy. Kids of gay parents are used to prove that all the shit the former say about them isn't true. Some it is a matter of degree. That being said, keep the kids out of it on both sides.
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Post by valsa on Sept 25, 2010 23:22:49 GMT -5
*bops you on the head with a stick* Don't ruin the moment! What happened to "OMFG DON'T USE KIDZ AS PROPS!!1111!"? So when the teabaggers use kids in protests its evil, but when gay rights people do exactly the same thing its suddenly adorable? Yeah, that is called hypocrisy. Using children to spread lies, hate, and violence on subjects that don't affect them or you= evil. Helping children defend themselves or their families against lies, hate, and violence on subjects that directly impact them= okay. I see no hypocrisy.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Sept 25, 2010 23:56:12 GMT -5
I'm not fond of it in either case, but what brendanjd and Valsa said is true. Having your kid hold a sign that says, "Let's love each other, regardless of our differences" is quite a bit more forgivable than having them hold one that says, "I hate everyone who disagrees with me." Plus, seeing a kid in an environment as hateful as a tea party rally is upsetting in its own right.
That being said, I think kids should be kept away from protests for a few reasons. There's always a risk of violence, no matter how small, at any rally. When emotions are heated, it only takes one idiot to turn things south. Additionally, kids shouldn't have to worry about politics.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Sept 26, 2010 0:59:13 GMT -5
I'm not fond of it in either case, but what brendanjd and Valsa said is true. Having your kid hold a sign that says, "Let's love each other, regardless of our differences" is quite a bit more forgivable than having them hold one that says, "I hate everyone who disagrees with me." Plus, seeing a kid in an environment as hateful as a tea party rally is upsetting in its own right. While I get that, it's basically saying that it's ok because we agree with them. When the kids with teabagger signs appeared, people said "Don't use your kids as political props". Not "Don't use your kids as political props for spreading opinions with XYZ characteristics" (as far as I remember, anyway). Saying it's more acceptable because of the specific opinions being put forth screams of post-hoc rationalization.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Sept 26, 2010 2:25:06 GMT -5
So we can bloody well get off of the topic of kids holding signs.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Sept 26, 2010 4:40:28 GMT -5
How would you smoke on the moon, anyway?
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Post by Vene on Sept 26, 2010 7:24:57 GMT -5
I'm not fond of it in either case, but what brendanjd and Valsa said is true. Having your kid hold a sign that says, "Let's love each other, regardless of our differences" is quite a bit more forgivable than having them hold one that says, "I hate everyone who disagrees with me." Plus, seeing a kid in an environment as hateful as a tea party rally is upsetting in its own right. While I get that, it's basically saying that it's ok because we agree with them. When the kids with teabagger signs appeared, people said "Don't use your kids as political props". Not "Don't use your kids as political props for spreading opinions with XYZ characteristics" (as far as I remember, anyway). Saying it's more acceptable because of the specific opinions being put forth screams of post-hoc rationalization. However, I don't really see an issue when kids are voicing an opinion that really does appear to be theirs and is apolitical. Like this: After all, if it said "Mommy and Daddy" instead of "two mommies" it wouldn't really mean anything. And I don't doubt they really do love their two mommies. This example is far from a kid protesting something they don't understand.
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Post by The_L on Sept 26, 2010 7:41:14 GMT -5
*bops you on the head with a stick* Don't ruin the moment! What happened to "OMFG DON'T USE KIDZ AS PROPS!!1111!"? So when the teabaggers use kids in protests its evil, but when gay rights people do exactly the same thing its suddenly adorable? Yeah, that is called hypocrisy. Agreed, but it's cute hypocrisy.
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Post by Mira on Sept 26, 2010 13:13:21 GMT -5
What Vene said. When a parent is having a kid hold a sign about lowering taxes, cutting welfare, regulating emissions, etc. it's just using them as a prop. The kids are way too young to have a well-developed opinion on the issue.
However, with the two mommies sign, you can be pretty dang sure that the kids legitimately love their parents. It also is very relevant as conservatives like to use the "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" argument when gay couple adoption comes up. They say that the children will suffer for it, when it can easily be demonstrated that this is not true.
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Post by ironbite on Sept 26, 2010 14:42:03 GMT -5
Going off that but children with homosexual parents will not suffer any more then children with heterosexual parents if they're "good" parents. Good is in quotes cause well everyone's definition of good is different for everyone. That said, I am sick of people claiming you need a man and a woman to help kids define what "normal" is. Normal sucks and nobody's normal.
Ironbite-just have an example of being a "good" person and I think everything will take care of itself.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Sept 26, 2010 14:52:11 GMT -5
To quote Grandma Maggie: Being normal is vastly overrated.
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Post by kristine on Sept 26, 2010 16:01:05 GMT -5
And now for some bad spelling... not to make fun if you are home schooled or anything, but... ...Sarcastic Protesters ummm...not sure where to put this one...
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Sept 26, 2010 16:03:02 GMT -5
While I get that, it's basically saying that it's ok because we agree with them. When the kids with teabagger signs appeared, people said "Don't use your kids as political props". Not "Don't use your kids as political props for spreading opinions with XYZ characteristics" (as far as I remember, anyway). Saying it's more acceptable because of the specific opinions being put forth screams of post-hoc rationalization. Hence the second half of my post.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Sept 26, 2010 19:18:04 GMT -5
kristine: Some of those go in the Awesome Protest Signs thread.
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