Post by yojetak on Apr 19, 2009 1:11:48 GMT -5
I've been lurking on both this and Rapture Ready's forums for a while now, and after a pretty obvious logical fallacy was passed off again as a legitimate argument I knew I had to post on RR forums.
If Christians want to be taken seriously, at least have arguments that make sense! I was doing them a favor. Really. Stop spreading that bullshit.
Anywho, I've been a proponent of evolution for a long time, so I thought I'd guide a few confused people to some helpful resources. I should have known this would be outrageous! Telling people to read? God forbid!
Link to the thread: rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=87352&page=24
(The logical fallacy in question is in post #467, it is a common chain email that I've seen since I was in middle school. And that was forever ago!)
Anyways, after an admin, HeIsEnough, insulted me and science, he started to delete my posts (which were neither insulting or inaccurate). These are the private PM's that followed:
(Bolded text within parenthesis are not part of the original PM's.)
HeIsEnough:
If you have any questions about the scriptures or the Lord, now would be the time. Arguing like you are attempting to is quite unproductive.
Best Regards,
James
Me:
Did you really just delete my two replies to you? Reading is that offensive? I don't get it?
HeIsEnough:
You made your snide comments, I responded.
I won't get into a snide comment fest with you.
I advised you to read the forum rules for a purpose.
They basically give you a couple of options. Ask sincere questions about the Lord or the scriptures.
The forum is not open to atheists to endlessly argue evolution, that ain't gonna change friend.
Its also not open to mock God or the forum members. Nor to handle facetious questions posed by people not really looking for answers.
Those are your options. Read the rules please.
(Bolded by me. Please note there are no forum rules stating these things, I searched and came up with zilch. Even after I asked him repeatedly to provide a link to the rules.)
Me:
Again, I was asked questions, I was answering them. Am I supposed to ignore them?
And also, I never stated I was an atheist. Please don't assume as such.
HeIsEnough:
Arguing with me will not get you anywhere. It will get you the opposite of what you seem to desire.
I'm not assuming anything about you, except you're having a difficult time doing what I'm asking nicely you to do. You've chosen to take a specific way of posting, and that too is a fact and will not change.
Now would be the time to quit arguing with me.
I can't ask you in a more pleasant manner.
(please note that HeIsEnough called me an atheist in the previous PM. I made no reference to my faith or lack thereof in any of my posts or PM's.)
Me:
Nowhere in my posts did I make a snide comment? Please I am quite nonplussed! But if you really want to silence me by deleting all my replies, I guess I have no choice in the matter.
HeIsEnough:
Friend, you've had your say.
Your posts on evolution remain, I did not delete nor alter them.
Take my advice and ponder what I'm saying to you. Be wise.
You like to imply your a believer in Christ without saying it. Fine.
Prove to me you are with a couple of hundred posts on your love and devotion to Christ, then I will consider that maybe you are.
It's up to you.
(Underlined the funniest bit. I was really stunned that anyone could be that thick.)
Me:
(quoting parts of Matthew 6:1-6 for those of you who don't know the verse)
"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
HeIsEnough:
It is not an act of righteousness to answer my questions.
I've not asked you to pray publicly.
Quote:
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
If you have a hope, now would be the time to give an answer.
(He is obviously not getting what the verse I quoted really said.)
Me:
You asked me to "Prove to me you are with a couple of hundred posts on your love and devotion to Christ, then I will consider that maybe you are."
HeIsEnough:
Last chance.....
(Ah, coercion. Best tool in this guys arsenal apparently. "POST THAT YOU LOVE JESUS OR I'LL BAN YOU EVEN THOUGH IT'S HYPOCRITICAL TO ESPOUSE YOUR BELIEF PUBLICLY TO SEEM RIGHTEOUS IN THE EYES OF MEN."
The irony is strong in this one.)
Me:
To make a hundred posts? I think I would get banned for spam don't you think?
HeIsEnough:
Maybe. I'm starting to think you can't even do one. *laughing smilie*
Two minutes later... Ban-hammer!
I think I'm the only person to get banned on that site for not posting.
If Christians want to be taken seriously, at least have arguments that make sense! I was doing them a favor. Really. Stop spreading that bullshit.
Anywho, I've been a proponent of evolution for a long time, so I thought I'd guide a few confused people to some helpful resources. I should have known this would be outrageous! Telling people to read? God forbid!
Link to the thread: rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=87352&page=24
(The logical fallacy in question is in post #467, it is a common chain email that I've seen since I was in middle school. And that was forever ago!)
Anyways, after an admin, HeIsEnough, insulted me and science, he started to delete my posts (which were neither insulting or inaccurate). These are the private PM's that followed:
(Bolded text within parenthesis are not part of the original PM's.)
HeIsEnough:
If you have any questions about the scriptures or the Lord, now would be the time. Arguing like you are attempting to is quite unproductive.
Best Regards,
James
Me:
Did you really just delete my two replies to you? Reading is that offensive? I don't get it?
HeIsEnough:
You made your snide comments, I responded.
I won't get into a snide comment fest with you.
I advised you to read the forum rules for a purpose.
They basically give you a couple of options. Ask sincere questions about the Lord or the scriptures.
The forum is not open to atheists to endlessly argue evolution, that ain't gonna change friend.
Its also not open to mock God or the forum members. Nor to handle facetious questions posed by people not really looking for answers.
Those are your options. Read the rules please.
(Bolded by me. Please note there are no forum rules stating these things, I searched and came up with zilch. Even after I asked him repeatedly to provide a link to the rules.)
Me:
Again, I was asked questions, I was answering them. Am I supposed to ignore them?
And also, I never stated I was an atheist. Please don't assume as such.
HeIsEnough:
Arguing with me will not get you anywhere. It will get you the opposite of what you seem to desire.
I'm not assuming anything about you, except you're having a difficult time doing what I'm asking nicely you to do. You've chosen to take a specific way of posting, and that too is a fact and will not change.
Now would be the time to quit arguing with me.
I can't ask you in a more pleasant manner.
(please note that HeIsEnough called me an atheist in the previous PM. I made no reference to my faith or lack thereof in any of my posts or PM's.)
Me:
Nowhere in my posts did I make a snide comment? Please I am quite nonplussed! But if you really want to silence me by deleting all my replies, I guess I have no choice in the matter.
HeIsEnough:
Friend, you've had your say.
Your posts on evolution remain, I did not delete nor alter them.
Take my advice and ponder what I'm saying to you. Be wise.
You like to imply your a believer in Christ without saying it. Fine.
Prove to me you are with a couple of hundred posts on your love and devotion to Christ, then I will consider that maybe you are.
It's up to you.
(Underlined the funniest bit. I was really stunned that anyone could be that thick.)
Me:
(quoting parts of Matthew 6:1-6 for those of you who don't know the verse)
"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
HeIsEnough:
It is not an act of righteousness to answer my questions.
I've not asked you to pray publicly.
Quote:
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
If you have a hope, now would be the time to give an answer.
(He is obviously not getting what the verse I quoted really said.)
Me:
You asked me to "Prove to me you are with a couple of hundred posts on your love and devotion to Christ, then I will consider that maybe you are."
HeIsEnough:
Last chance.....
(Ah, coercion. Best tool in this guys arsenal apparently. "POST THAT YOU LOVE JESUS OR I'LL BAN YOU EVEN THOUGH IT'S HYPOCRITICAL TO ESPOUSE YOUR BELIEF PUBLICLY TO SEEM RIGHTEOUS IN THE EYES OF MEN."
The irony is strong in this one.)
Me:
To make a hundred posts? I think I would get banned for spam don't you think?
HeIsEnough:
Maybe. I'm starting to think you can't even do one. *laughing smilie*
Two minutes later... Ban-hammer!
I think I'm the only person to get banned on that site for not posting.