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Post by kmc on Feb 25, 2011 13:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by Thejebusfire on Feb 25, 2011 16:31:39 GMT -5
The only sane comment on the whole fourm.
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Post by m52nickerson on Feb 25, 2011 16:35:24 GMT -5
While I don't agree Joel Northrup's decision to forfeit I do think he handled the situation well. He and his father could have argued for a different opponent, or challenged Cassy Herkleman's right to compete. Instead Joel took the forfeit and the consequences that went with it.
Now I don't agree with the FOF article. If you want to compete and be a champion you have to take on all comers.
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Post by tgrwulf on Feb 25, 2011 20:10:59 GMT -5
False chivalry like this just bugs the ever-living shit out of me. Especially since you know most of these people have a serious double standard and would be calling the kid a wuss if it was another guy on the mat.
There's a huge difference between hitting a defenseless girl and wrestling someone of the opposite sex at the state championship level of wrestling. I'd HARDLY classify her as defenseless.
If you ask me, the kid's nothing more than a coward.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Feb 25, 2011 20:24:50 GMT -5
False chivalry like this just bugs the ever-living shit out of me. Especially since you know most of these people have a serious double standard and would be calling the kid a wuss if it was another guy on the mat. There's a huge difference between hitting a defenseless girl and wrestling someone of the opposite sex at the state championship level of wrestling. I'd HARDLY classify her as defenseless. If you ask me, the kid's nothing more than a coward. Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you. We had an argument about this on the IRC. |
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Post by Mira on Feb 25, 2011 20:46:26 GMT -5
I know a female wrestler who could kick most guys' asses. Don't underestimate people because of their hormones.
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Post by m52nickerson on Feb 25, 2011 21:07:05 GMT -5
False chivalry like this just bugs the ever-living shit out of me. Especially since you know most of these people have a serious double standard and would be calling the kid a wuss if it was another guy on the mat. There's a huge difference between hitting a defenseless girl and wrestling someone of the opposite sex at the state championship level of wrestling. I'd HARDLY classify her as defenseless. If you ask me, the kid's nothing more than a coward. I don't think I would call it chivalry. I do wonder why think it was false? It not like the kid was shying away other competition, nor was it obvious that he was going to lose the match. |
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Post by mechtaur on Feb 25, 2011 21:32:33 GMT -5
Heh, I was just having an argument over this with someone else on another forum I haunt.
TGRWulf hit it pretty well.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Feb 25, 2011 21:50:55 GMT -5
Part of me wouldn't mind being beaten up by a girl. Providing it's in a non-aggressive way, so that my macho male ego doesn't get damaged.
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Post by syaoranvee on Feb 25, 2011 23:19:58 GMT -5
While I don't agree Joel Northrup's decision to forfeit I do think he handled the situation well. He and his father could have argued for a different opponent, or challenged Cassy Herkleman's right to compete. Instead Joel took the forfeit and the consequences that went with it. Yeah, this is pretty much the way I see this. It's not like the guy went on a crusade to have it to where girls can't be in the tournaments. He took the least damaging route in regards to this. Honestly, the backlash on this is ridiculous, on different articles on this topic then this one I've seen people giving death threats to this guy and wanting to change the rules so nobody can forfeit matches anymore. |
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Post by katz on Feb 26, 2011 16:16:34 GMT -5
Hey, wasn't this on Glee?
I'm no sports expert, but I'd imagine in wrestling a weight class is a weight class. My friend was in martial arts and fought males routinely. If the kid wants to stick to his morals, that's his prerogative, but he can't expect the whole institution to bend to them.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Feb 26, 2011 19:13:40 GMT -5
My friend's sister is 18, and wrestles with boys sometimes. She wins some, she looses some.
Chivalry, fake or not, bugs me. Women aren't better than men. They're to be treated equally. Not better, not worse.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Feb 26, 2011 22:52:36 GMT -5
The funny thing is, he has no problem rolling around on a mat with another boy.
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Post by davedan on Feb 26, 2011 23:12:58 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like he made a big deal out of it. From the article he forfeited. Because of his beliefs, the kid didn't suggest that she shouldn't wrestle just that he wouldn't do it. So she won her first match and he is out of the Tournement. It sounds like it was beaten up by some sports journalist. Also I think it is a little unfair to suggest that his only concern was being beaten - the kid's a homeschooled son of a pastor, do you really think this was his decision?
On the other hand refusing to compete is a tacit way of saying the other person shouldn't be there. Personally I would encourage my boys to compete against girls and frankly until puberty it is a level playing field. Although after puberty less so (when we were at school the Winner of the Open School Girls 8 competed against the under 16 2nd 8s at our head of the river and was feted after coming second last). Anyway she continued in the tournement and there is no suggestion the other wrestlers didn't compete against her.
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Post by katz on Feb 28, 2011 21:10:33 GMT -5
I would encourage my boys to compete against girls and frankly until puberty it is a level playing field. Although after puberty less so ( Depends on whether the sport is affected by the differences in the male and female body. Men have an advantage in muscle mass, but that isn't a deciding factor in stuff like judo or golf. What confuses me is Mens and Womens chess or debate tournaments. Yeah, I get it's to encourage girls into the events, but it seems weird at a professional level. |
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