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Post by tgrwulf on Feb 28, 2011 21:17:01 GMT -5
Chivalry, fake or not, bugs me. Women aren't better than men. They're to be treated equally. Not better, not worse. I tend to think of true chivalry as if you're able to, protecting ANYONE weaker than you, not just those of the "fairer sex", which is what I consider false chivalry.
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Post by rookie on Feb 28, 2011 21:25:20 GMT -5
Meh. It's easy to say he should have wrestled her, gender equality and whatnot. But I also read in the FoF article there was a two year age difference. Two years isn't really a huge gap, but the difference between 14 and 16 is more apparent than, say, 28 and 30. I was three inches taller and twenty five pounds heavier in junior year than I was in freshman. And that would be enough to make me question how fair the match would be. I'm not trying to take away anything from her. Certainly I am not saying she didn't earn her place on the squad. But I'm not sure the 16 year old Rookie would have wrestled.
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Post by davedan on Feb 28, 2011 22:30:19 GMT -5
I agree no difference in chess, or pool or snooker or darts. However I think there probably is a difference for Judo and Golf. I don't think you'll find that the professional women drive as far as the men nor that the women are able to compete with the professional men in judo. I have no doubt however that the professional women golfers and judo practitioners would belt 99% of the non-professional men.
Women are better at some sports than men, ultra marathons for instance.
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Post by rookie on Feb 28, 2011 22:35:21 GMT -5
I agree no difference in chess, or pool or snooker or darts. However I think there probably is a difference for Judo and Golf. I don't think you'll find that the professional women drive as far as the men nor ... Actually, there are different things where you tee off for men and women. There is about a ten foot difference. Not a whole lot, but ten feet is the difference between in a sand trap and on the green.
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Post by davedan on Feb 28, 2011 23:34:27 GMT -5
I agree no difference in chess, or pool or snooker or darts. However I think there probably is a difference for Judo and Golf. I don't think you'll find that the professional women drive as far as the men nor ... Actually, there are different things where you tee off for men and women. There is about a ten foot difference. Not a whole lot, but ten feet is the difference between in a sand trap and on the green. Which is why I said there was a difference in golf
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Post by katz on Mar 2, 2011 20:00:14 GMT -5
In judo and similar sports, it's divided by weight class so you wouldn't have a 300 pound Conan against a 90 pound waif. Muscle distribution might play a factor, though, I don't know.
Golf is kind of funny in that upper arm strength isn't the main factor, core strength and balance are. From what I've heard/seen, there's a bigger gap between shot length between pro vs. amateur women than pro vs. amateur men, but I think it evens out. Besides, shot length is only one factor. I'm also pretty sure pro golfers don't use the "lady tee"; it's also for people who suck at golf.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Mar 2, 2011 20:37:25 GMT -5
Pro golfers don't use the lady tee.
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Post by davedan on Mar 2, 2011 21:32:42 GMT -5
LPGA tournements are still shorter than PGA tournements. Whether they play off the ladies tees or not. I would have thought its increased muscle mass which makes it unfair on women competing in the same weight class as men in Judo. Also male hormones make a big difference if they didn't there wouldn't be such a fuss over Castor Semanya. High School boys are running the 800m faster than women olympic athletes its not because they train harder or are more committed, its physiological and especially hormonal.
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Post by Vene on Mar 2, 2011 21:45:32 GMT -5
Judo is unusual in that sometimes the smaller, lighter person has the advantage. And the Semanya thing was just infuriating to me. People were freaking out over her male hormones when they had no effect on her since her body couldn't uptake them anyway (she has androgen insensitivity disorder for those curious).
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Mar 2, 2011 21:55:54 GMT -5
In judo and similar sports, it's divided by weight class so you wouldn't have a 300 pound Conan against a 90 pound waif. Sucks to be Conan in such a mismatch, don't it? ;D
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Post by tygerarmy on Mar 8, 2011 8:36:08 GMT -5
Standards being equal I do not see a difference between males and females at a professional level. If to become a professional requires x training then anyone who can do it is there. Males and females are different, but males and males are different. I'm 135lbs and I eat more than people twice my weight, I'm not ripped and I lift more. People are generally unequal, training in whatever makes up for this. I have friends my ~ age/height/weight and they cannot do the things I can. But I've been training in martial arts for the last ten years, in the army for three. There are differences between my friends, the ones who were involved in sports more growing up got better faster. To say that men and women can't compete at chess is absurd. To say they can't compete at judo or wrestling is just as absurd. One party may have had to train harder to get to that level but that means nothing now. As for at the highschool level, the girl is at a huge disadvantage, two years younger, maybe two years less of wrestling, probably trained with a fewer number of partners and if at the same weight probably a muscular disadvantage. But even with that she should compete. An underdog can win, and it's part of her experience. She loses, she learns and gets better or realizes she has past her limit and quits.
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Post by katz on Mar 19, 2011 19:34:14 GMT -5
It's just weird, because even within gender body differences can play such a huge role. I mean, I'm 5'6", about 125 pounds, and I can maintain a really flat stomach no problem. If I slack, I lose "the line" but get it back in a few days. Most girls can't do that.
My friend insists it's because I'm a lesbian. I do have somewhat high testosterone, but it's probably mostly genetics, but that's also weird because no one else in my family has my body type.
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