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Post by ironbite on Apr 22, 2009 19:40:31 GMT -5
If magic actually existed, it'd be called science. But should you believe in it? Ironbite-like a young girl should?
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 22, 2009 19:41:34 GMT -5
Be it jug band music or rhythm and blues?
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Post by SimSim on Apr 22, 2009 19:54:55 GMT -5
So science=magic? We've even got the blood sacrifices. Where can I find out more about this magic? It intrigues me.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Apr 22, 2009 20:50:16 GMT -5
Much as I love the steam/cyberpunk idea of magic and modern technology co-existing, I'm going to have to say I don't believe even slightly that magic is possible.
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Post by doomie 22 on Apr 22, 2009 22:30:39 GMT -5
Believe in it? I'm a level 15 sorcerer.
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 22, 2009 22:46:49 GMT -5
Psssh. Sorcs get screwed. You should have been a Cleric. Or at least a Wizard.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Apr 22, 2009 23:01:19 GMT -5
Only magical moments. Which don't happen very often.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Apr 22, 2009 23:39:22 GMT -5
Psssh. Sorcs get screwed. You should have been a Cleric. Or at least a Wizard. Pfft, battlemage or spellsword are the only ways to go (gotta have some good old fightin' abilities to fall back on when the mana points run dry).
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Post by Undecided on Apr 22, 2009 23:45:21 GMT -5
I sometimes wish that "magic" was a fundamental interaction, just like the strong, weak, gravitational and electromagnetic interactions, and that we could utilise it in some way that would be consistent with folklore.
But I can't believe that magic exists; it is far too much of an anthropocentric idea and far too little of an actual phenomenon.
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Post by John E on Apr 23, 2009 0:17:41 GMT -5
Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology. Karma for that. Great quote.
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Post by Oriet on Apr 23, 2009 0:52:19 GMT -5
If magic actually existed, it'd be called science. QFT This is what I go down with. It'd either be completely chaotic, and so not be subject to any form of testability, but such would also render it competely and utterly useless for anyone who might want to use it, and therefore not anything anyone would actually be able to use, or such would be subject to regularity and thus be able to be scientifically explored and explained, and be science, not magic. Now, if there's forces and other aspects of reality that science does not yet explain, I'm sure there are and I'm sure any respectable scientist would admit,, but it is still being researched and explored and therefore would still be called science, not magic.
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 23, 2009 9:07:12 GMT -5
Magic in the sense of what we commonly call tricks and such now, yes, for entertainment. In some mystical, unknown power that can do things, not on your life
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Apr 23, 2009 10:58:16 GMT -5
I believe that people believe in it, not that it's real. When people swear at their cars and ask the damned thing to work that's a kind of "sympathetic magic" I guess, but if it worked the car would start and the owner wouldn't be gesticulating and shouting at the bloody thing to work already.
Of course he could try and fix it, or call for roadside assist.
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 23, 2009 11:18:57 GMT -5
I believe that people believe in it, not that it's real. When people swear at their cars and ask the damned thing to work that's a kind of "sympathetic magic" I guess, but if it worked the car would start and the owner wouldn't be gesticulating and shouting at the bloody thing to work already. Of course he could try and fix it, or call for roadside assist. It's also learned behaviour. I'll swear and scream at my car, even though I don't actually expect it to start working because of it. My first response is usually that, immediately followed by an attempt to troubleshoot. Then more screaming and swearing. Then more troubleshooting. It's not necessarily a belief that it'll change anything when people do this.
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Post by Khaine on Apr 23, 2009 16:21:23 GMT -5
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Ah yes, the great quote from the late Arthur C. Clarke. Still, I also like the counter quote used by, I belive, Larry Niven. "Any consistent, stable, and repeatable, magic can be disguised as technology."
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