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Post by priestling on May 29, 2011 1:43:15 GMT -5
@ Norris: In that same vein: New York, middle of winter, and they don't apparently have snow days here unless it's state of emergency worthy... which, in this particular area, was last in the '70's.
... Unlike Oregon, where if we get more than 3 inches, EVERYTHING shuts down.
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Post by wmdkitty on May 29, 2011 4:09:01 GMT -5
SugarfreeJazz -- Yes, I'm on SSI. Disabled since birth, thx. Oh, and thank you for linking me to Shane's little flounce post.
Norris -- I don't think the police should take time out of a chase to bust a couple of potheads, no. If they had stumbled upon something really serious, like a rape or murder in progress, by all means, they should intervene. My reasoning, before anyone asks, is based on the relative harm of the crimes discovered.
I still don't think they had any right to go barging into an apartment without a warrant, unless they know for a fact that the person they are pursuing is in there. Otherwise, get a warrant.
Dasfuchs -- I asked her the questions directly, and she has yet to answer. That is a violation of the rule.
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Post by Oriet on May 29, 2011 8:23:32 GMT -5
WMDKitty, what if they were pot dealers, lacing their pot with PCP or cocaine? Would that be a victimless crime, or something cops should just ignore?
Also, smoke goes through doors, windows, and non-cracked walls. Modern construction does not stop it, as it can get through where switches and outlets are as they are not sealed at all. If you don't believe me just take off the faceplate and see for yourself how open they are. There's really nothing that can be done when I am in my apartment and the smoker is in their own apartment.
Oh, but according to you I should just use my inhaler and otherwise suck it up (quite literally in this case). Going by this logic, if someone is crashing cymbals and blasting a vuvuzela it's your responsibility to go elsewhere or where earplugs. Or if your next door neighbours decide they want to start a band, blasting at full volume even though they can't sing, play the instruments, or have any sense of rhythm, it's your responsibility to ignore it or go elsewhere since they're perfectly within their rights to do so (as long as they otherwise pay attention to any sound ordnances their city might have).
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Post by Vene on May 29, 2011 8:28:25 GMT -5
I still don't think they had any right to go barging into an apartment without a warrant, unless they know for a fact that the person they are pursuing is in there. Otherwise, get a warrant. Probable cause, bitch. |
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Post by Bluefinger on May 29, 2011 9:09:30 GMT -5
By that logic, nobody should drive, either, because your car produces a shit-ton more pollutants and harmful chemicals than my one cigarette every four hours. Well, I guess it should be no surprise that generally support measures to reduce car emissions? Not just on the whole Global Warming thing, but also on Air Pollution reduction. As for your comment on people not needing cars, etc, 20 miles is not an easy distance to cycle. Especially if you are in hilly/mountainous terrain. Also, 20 miles one way adds to 40 miles a day there and back. A lot of distance to cover in a single day on a pedal bike. Most people are not athletes. Also, there's enough literature on the matter of cigarette smoke toxicity to support measures for prohibiting exposure to it. Particularly with papers like this that put a serious emphasis on just how second hand smoke can pose a non-trivial risk hours after a cigarette has been extinguished. |
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Post by Vene on May 29, 2011 9:22:21 GMT -5
By that logic, nobody should drive, either, because your car produces a shit-ton more pollutants and harmful chemicals than my one cigarette every four hours. Well, I guess it should be no surprise that generally support measures to reduce car emissions? Not just on the whole Global Warming thing, but also on Air Pollution reduction. As for your comment on people not needing cars, etc, 20 miles is not an easy distance to cycle. Especially if you are in hilly/mountainous terrain. Also, 20 miles one way adds to 40 miles a day there and back. A lot of distance to cover in a single day on a pedal bike. Most people are not athletes. Also, there's enough literature on the matter of cigarette smoke toxicity to support measures for prohibiting exposure to it. Particularly with papers like this that put a serious emphasis on just how second hand smoke can pose a non-trivial risk hours after a cigarette has been extinguished. Her argument is fallacious anyway, car exhaust being worse doesn't mean cigarette smoke isn't bad. |
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Post by dasfuchs on May 29, 2011 9:34:46 GMT -5
SugarfreeJazz -- Yes, I'm on SSI. Disabled since birth, thx. Oh, and thank you for linking me to Shane's little flounce post. Norris -- I don't think the police should take time out of a chase to bust a couple of potheads, no. If they had stumbled upon something really serious, like a rape or murder in progress, by all means, they should intervene. My reasoning, before anyone asks, is based on the relative harm of the crimes discovered. I still don't think they had any right to go barging into an apartment without a warrant, unless they know for a fact that the person they are pursuing is in there. Otherwise, get a warrant. Dasfuchs -- I asked her the questions directly, and she has yet to answer. That is a violation of the rule. So then, will you answer mine, or continue to ignore it while denouncing someone else that already left this thread? |
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Post by Vene on May 29, 2011 12:40:14 GMT -5
And people routinely bike that far for work. A car is not necessary for an able-bodied adult. I present you with the state of Michigan, Detroit Metropolitan Area, in the winter time. Sub zero temps, no public transit system, inches upon inches of snow. You can bicycle to work. It is neither practical, safe, or advisable. But you can. I am going to add to this with an anecdote. We got so much snow in one day in December that this happened: I had to work that day. I had to drive ~30 miles to get to my job. Getting there in the morning was fine (only got stuck once!), but coming home, not so much. First there was the amount of digging we had to do to get out of the parking lot (yay for workers actually helping each other, even if we don't know a common language). Then there was the actual drive home. The drive that normally was 30 minutes took me two hours, and I am not counting the time to dig the PT out. And that is another aspect to this, I took Oriet's car instead of mine, because hers was better designed for snow. There was absolutely no way I could have biked to work and back home. |
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Post by dasfuchs on May 29, 2011 12:48:42 GMT -5
Obviously it's because you don't use enough effort. A little snow like that and you went pansy.
Why, when WMDK was in your position she walked to work in a snowstorm, 40 miles, uphill both ways, with no shoes and only a shirt for warmth
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Post by sugarfreejazz on May 29, 2011 13:23:46 GMT -5
No she's the only one that "really disabled" so her getting aid is A-O.K. Spending tax dollars on pot is fine because she was born that way, whereas the rest of you were clearly just slacking off. Especially those with the imaginary "mental illnesses."
MY ABORTION IS THE ONLY MORAL ABORTION!
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Post by MaybeNever on May 29, 2011 13:27:29 GMT -5
@ Norris: In that same vein: New York, middle of winter, and they don't apparently have snow days here unless it's state of emergency worthy... which, in this particular area, was last in the '70's. ... Unlike Oregon, where if we get more than 3 inches, EVERYTHING shuts down. I'm in Washington after spending almost my whole life in Colorado. There are similar differences in standard: in Colorado, there MIGHT be a snow day if there's an actual blizzard and teams of Inuits with dogsleds have to be hired to get anywhere, and the only sure trigger for snow days is more than 2 feet of snow. In Washington, two or three inches wrecks the place. However, this is also pragmatic. Colorado has the equipment and materials (plows, road salt, etc.) to make the area safe in the event of heavy snow, while Washington, for the most part, simply does not. |
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Post by priestling on May 30, 2011 1:04:54 GMT -5
Not to mention in Oregon, they won't salt the fucking roads when they really DO get bad snow, for fear the road salt will wash out over 250 miles, not be diluted one iota, and somehow, it's going to kill all of the iconic rainbow trout in the state and completely destroy the fishing industry.
... Fucking hell, I hate my home state sometimes.
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Post by Haseen on May 30, 2011 3:58:38 GMT -5
It's the same way in CA, but the rationale is that salt kills the plants near the road. But the snow is usually not a problem to drive on after the plows clear it. Bad drivers, on the other hand...
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Post by wmdkitty on May 30, 2011 6:59:09 GMT -5
I don't, but you can walk or ride a bicycle to work. You don't "need" a car. How far do you consider work beyond car? Oh, let me guess, "You can just move closer" or "find another job". There is also public transportation. You would, I concede, need a car if you lived out in the boonies. However, for city living, a car really isn't a necessity, unless your work (like my mum's -- she works for the school district in the OT/PT department) involves transporting large objects. |
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Post by wmdkitty on May 30, 2011 7:09:35 GMT -5
Oriet -- This is why I get mine from a dispensary, of course. But yes, that would be a Bad Thing, and should be corrected. As for your example of noisy neighbors, well, as long as they're not violating the local noise ordnances, it's annoying but nothing you can legally pursue. You could always ask them to keep it down a bit, though. Just like you could politely ask your neighbor not to smoke. I can't guarantee it'll get results. Vene -- They didn't have probable cause! They should have been paying attention to which way the suspect was running, and then they wouldn't have had to pick a door! Bluefinger -- Damn right I support lowering (or even eliminating, when it is technologically feasible) car emissions. sugarfreejazz -- I never said mental illnesses were "imaginary". I'm mentally ill, myself! (As if that weren't obvious, right?) I just said that, for those with social anxiety or Asperger's or whatever else interferes with their social interaction, a big part of therapy is exposing yourself to social situations. How else are you supposed to learn how to socialize, the internet? It takes time and patience, yeah, but it's totally worth the effort! Okay, is that everything, or did I miss a question/comment somewhere? 'Cuz if that's it, I'm exiting the thread.
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