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Post by Vene on Jun 30, 2011 8:54:54 GMT -5
Fred, you know what would be nice? You posting the technical definitions for both ideologies as well as backing up said definitions with a reputable source (university websites are always a plus for this sort of thing). A one sentence definition isn't really a good way to look at things* like ideologies and economic systems. A better way to go about it is to cite a list of characteristics or beliefs. I've defined capitalism above. Liberalism is the political ideology of human rights. Liberals believe that humans have rights, such as the right to speak, believe and assemble. Liberals believe that government action is justified by the consent of the governed- ie democracy. They believe in leaving the world a more prosperous place than they found it. Classwise, liberalism arose from the middle-class of merchants and captains of industry, and all liberals since have always seen the capitalist mix of private and public enterprise that allowed that class to become wealthy as the most effective way of creating prosperity. Liberalism is the product of capitalism and capitalism has been reinforced by the triumphs of liberalism. Liberalism has evolved since the proto-capitalist days of 1780. Liberal beliefs have changed in line with the discoveries of economic science, discoveries like Keynesianism and effective monetary policy. However, the ideology hasn't changed as much as people think. Early liberals were big fans of things like universal government education and government protection of infant industries. Socialism is a state of total equality, without government, authority, capitalism or violence. Socialists are people who want to quickly^ achieve this state, either through revolution, evolution or parliamentary action. * Not that I think you said this, just to justify my lack of a one-sentence definition. ^ Within their lifetime, typically. Well, that was dumb, you continue to not cite anything. Oftenpartisan gave a citation, a non-internet one, but at least it was a damn citation from a source that means something, not just some random internet dick claiming he's right because he's right. |
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Post by ltfred on Jul 1, 2011 3:03:48 GMT -5
A one sentence definition isn't really a good way to look at things* like ideologies and economic systems. A better way to go about it is to cite a list of characteristics or beliefs. I've defined capitalism above. Liberalism is the political ideology of human rights. Liberals believe that humans have rights, such as the right to speak, believe and assemble. Liberals believe that government action is justified by the consent of the governed- ie democracy. They believe in leaving the world a more prosperous place than they found it. Classwise, liberalism arose from the middle-class of merchants and captains of industry, and all liberals since have always seen the capitalist mix of private and public enterprise that allowed that class to become wealthy as the most effective way of creating prosperity. Liberalism is the product of capitalism and capitalism has been reinforced by the triumphs of liberalism. Liberalism has evolved since the proto-capitalist days of 1780. Liberal beliefs have changed in line with the discoveries of economic science, discoveries like Keynesianism and effective monetary policy. However, the ideology hasn't changed as much as people think. Early liberals were big fans of things like universal government education and government protection of infant industries. Socialism is a state of total equality, without government, authority, capitalism or violence. Socialists are people who want to quickly^ achieve this state, either through revolution, evolution or parliamentary action. * Not that I think you said this, just to justify my lack of a one-sentence definition. ^ Within their lifetime, typically. Well, that was dumb, you continue to not cite anything. Oftenpartisan gave a citation, a non-internet one, but at least it was a damn citation from a source that means something, not just some random internet dick claiming he's right because he's right. Okay, I'll cite something Marx wrote on the definitions of communism and socialism. Everything he wrote defined it clearly somewhere or other. For capitalism Maps of Time: an introduction to big history, and the University of Queensland course World History. which talked about, among other things, the history of capitalism andd it's definition. Liberalism is cited from Political Ideologies, Andrew Heywood. |
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