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Post by Smurfette Principle on Jun 22, 2011 17:55:59 GMT -5
It's like how Catholics aren't Christian. He's Muslim, just from a different denomination. And if you want to know what he thinks, then ask him. There is a big difference between what a religion says members should do and what members actually believe. [Pet Hate Rant] Catholics are Christian. I do not think you will find anyone on the planet who self identifies as Catholic, but doesn't self identify as Christian. Anti-Catholic low rent protestents like to claim Catholics aren't Christian, (and cite a bunch of half truths, distortions and outright lies to make their argument) so that they can persecute Catholics without worrying about that whole "Christians are supposed to be nice to one another" thing. [/Pet Hate Rant] I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US, to be "Catholic" is not the same as "Christian," as "Christian" has the connotation of "Protestant."
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Post by Her3tiK on Jun 22, 2011 20:42:14 GMT -5
Jesus + Bible = Christian. Therefore, Catholics = Christian (regardless of that other crap they threw in to entice conversions early on).
Back on topic, ask him why he brought up the Shia thing in the first place. At worst, you find out his beliefs are incompatible with yours in a way that'll keep anything from happening. At best, you find out enough about him to help you decide where your feeling for him lie. At that point, whip them out and have at it. Either way, you've got a good chance to learn more about a friend.
As a side note, be honest with him about your feelings. Nothing is more irritating to a guy than a girl who won't give him a straight answer about this stuff because she "doesn't want to hurt him." There is no simple way to let him down if you genuinely aren't attracted to him; be honest with him about it and don't just drag him along (however unintentionally that may happen). Then whip them out and show him what he's missing.
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Post by MaybeNever on Jun 23, 2011 1:10:56 GMT -5
[Pet Hate Rant] Catholics are Christian. I do not think you will find anyone on the planet who self identifies as Catholic, but doesn't self identify as Christian. Anti-Catholic low rent protestents like to claim Catholics aren't Christian, (and cite a bunch of half truths, distortions and outright lies to make their argument) so that they can persecute Catholics without worrying about that whole "Christians are supposed to be nice to one another" thing. [/Pet Hate Rant] I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US, to be "Catholic" is not the same as "Christian," as "Christian" has the connotation of "Protestant." Possibly I have had the advantage of growing up among people who are not idiots; maybe it is just the fact that I was raised basically Catholic; but I have never met a person who actually held the view that Catholics are not Christians, quotes from our fundie friends notwithstanding.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jun 23, 2011 4:13:30 GMT -5
[Pet Hate Rant] Catholics are Christian. I do not think you will find anyone on the planet who self identifies as Catholic, but doesn't self identify as Christian. Anti-Catholic low rent protestents like to claim Catholics aren't Christian, (and cite a bunch of half truths, distortions and outright lies to make their argument) so that they can persecute Catholics without worrying about that whole "Christians are supposed to be nice to one another" thing. [/Pet Hate Rant] I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US, to be "Catholic" is not the same as "Christian," as "Christian" has the connotation of "Protestant." I suspect only among protestants. Again, Catholics are Christians, and consider themselves thus.
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Post by Vypernight on Jun 23, 2011 4:59:44 GMT -5
As a side note, be honest with him about your feelings. Nothing is more irritating to a guy than a girl who won't give him a straight answer about this stuff because she "doesn't want to hurt him." I hate that. "I just told you what I thought you wanted to hear." No, I want to hear the truth. I'm a big boy; I can take it. As for the guy, I agree with everyone else. If you just want to be friends, tell him. If you decide to go somewhere else with it, just tell him, "This is what I believe. I respect what you believe and won't push anything on you. All I ask is that you do the same." If he agrees, then you have no problems. If he 180's and tries the stereotypical 'Muslim woman has no rights' thing,' just 'remind him' that he's not in the middle east and that crap won't cut it where you are. Most religions are compatible. Not all people are.
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Post by Smurfette Principle on Jun 23, 2011 8:14:33 GMT -5
I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US, to be "Catholic" is not the same as "Christian," as "Christian" has the connotation of "Protestant." I suspect only among protestants. Again, Catholics are Christians, and consider themselves thus. I know that, strictly speaking, Catholics are Christians, as they believe in Christ, but you don't refer to a Catholic as a Christian. For example, it's our Catholic faith, not our Christian faith. You don't say, "Look, Christians are coming up the street!" when you see a group of Catholics. Of course, this is my experience of being Catholic.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jun 23, 2011 8:26:26 GMT -5
I suspect only among protestants. Again, Catholics are Christians, and consider themselves thus. I know that, strictly speaking, Catholics are Christians, as they believe in Christ, but you don't refer to a Catholic as a Christian. For example, it's our Catholic faith, not our Christian faith. You don't say, "Look, Christians are coming up the street!" when you see a group of Catholics. Of course, this is my experience of being Catholic. O...kay. Well thanks for sharing.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jun 23, 2011 14:12:44 GMT -5
The whole Christian/Catholic thing is asinine and beside the point.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Jun 23, 2011 14:52:52 GMT -5
Your MOM'S asinine and beside the point!
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jun 23, 2011 15:26:54 GMT -5
Your MOM'S asinine and beside the point! No U!
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jun 23, 2011 15:38:47 GMT -5
ur gay
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Post by the sandman on Jun 23, 2011 16:10:21 GMT -5
Jesus + Bible = Christian. Therefore, Catholics = Christian (regardless of that other crap they threw in to entice conversions early on). It's not really that simple. There are sects out there that accept both a form of the Bible and Jesus, but wouldn't qualify as "Christian" by many definitions. It's really more like this: To qualify as a traditional "Christian," you must accept that the Jesus described in the Bible is the son of God and that He was sent to Earth to atone for the sins of all those who accept said salvation. These would be your liberal Christians, your non-denominational "community" Christians, (most) Episcopalians, your ELCA, and groups like Fellowship-oriented churches. If you want to qualify as a "Scriptural Literalist Christian," you have to accept the above, PLUS the fact that every word in your "approved" Bible (usually the KJV or an update of the KJV) is the absolute, specific, true, and unalterable WORD OF GOD, despite hundreds of translations, the lack or any true original documentation, etc. Here you have your LCMS Lutherans, your conservative Baptists, and other fundamentalist sects. Other sects throw other requirements in there. The Roman Catholics add in the bit that you must submit to the Pope and that only the church can give you access to salvation. The Pentecostals and charismatics add in that you have to be "born again" (the definition of which changes depending on who you talk to). Some churches deviate so far from the normal ranges of beliefs that only they still consider themselves to be "Christian." The Mormons believe that they will become the equal of God in the next life, and therefore "God" is not the only "god," so they're out. The Jehovah's Witnesses disqualify themselves with the doctrine that Jesus was not, in fact, the son of God, but only a perfect man born to pay for just the original sins of Adam. In a nutshell it comes down to this: A "Christian," as defined by the traditions and history of the religion, is, as it's most basic definition, someone who believes that the Jesus described in the Bible was a real, living person who was the son of God and was made incarnate by God in order to redeem the world from sin.Everything else is nit-picking.
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Post by Vene on Jun 23, 2011 16:19:17 GMT -5
The whole Christian/Catholic thing is asinine and beside the point. I'm sorry, it was a simple, throw-away line meant to be an imperfect analogy. I didn't think it would be that hard to figure out that Catholics are Christian when I was using it to say that Shiites are Muslim.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jun 23, 2011 16:21:39 GMT -5
My very own gay!??! Vene: I knew what you meant. A lot of Catholics don't call themselves Christian they call themselves Catholic, etc., But some people want to make an argument out of everything.
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Post by nightangel1282 on Jun 23, 2011 21:17:06 GMT -5
Okay, quick update... I spoke to him yesterday during our first coffee break. I think he realized he made me uncomfortable and before I could even say anything, he apologized to me. I told him that I thought he was a very nice, polite person, but that I am currently attracted to someone else and would prefer to remain friends instead. He took it well, and things turned out okay. I decided to not even bring religion itself into the equation. It's a school setting and I didn't want to bring up anything that might come off as even remotely prejudice. Someone asked me earlier why he brought up that he was shiite in the first place. I casually asked him before he made his moves on me, out of idle curiosity. I could tell ethnically that he was from the middle east and I was just curious if he was. Right after I got my answer, he asked me "Are you single?" which is when the move started taking place. But, as I said, all's good now. Thanks for the help everyone. Nightangel Edit: I discovered yesterday that fstdt is BLOCKED on the computers at my school Otherwise I would've updated this while the computer teacher was droning on about Tabs settings... The reason for said blocking? It's under the label of "INTOLERANCE!" WTF?!?!
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