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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 26, 2011 15:26:19 GMT -5
But seriously, I'm not too fussed about this. Hell, if the pro-whaling crowd would just admit they're in it for profit and drop this "research" bullshit, then I'd be pro-whaling, assuming the quotas are sustainable. RESEAAARCCHHH!! |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 15:27:38 GMT -5
Considering that they've done nothing to actually significantly stop whaling and have just weakened the argument against allowing this to continue... in the long term, yes. Even to the whales. Though I was speaking more of overall harm. I dunno... I've seen footage of what they do, seems they make life considerably more difficult for whalers. Any saved whale is a victory, in my opinion. But then, I consider them fellow sentients, and believe killing them is literally murder. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 26, 2011 15:34:25 GMT -5
Considering that they've done nothing to actually significantly stop whaling and have just weakened the argument against allowing this to continue... in the long term, yes. Even to the whales. Though I was speaking more of overall harm. I dunno... I've seen footage of what they do, seems they make life considerably more difficult for whalers. Any saved whale is a victory, in my opinion. But then, I consider them fellow sentients, and believe killing them is literally murder. In all honesty, it really doesn't. They've got, what, one boat? They can only hinder one whaler at a time. Hindering one whaler isn't hindering all of them. Believe me, I want the whaling to stop, too. This isn't the way to do it. The whalers are fellow sentients, too. |
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 26, 2011 15:42:43 GMT -5
then get them for that. Dont' just bend the law and cheer it because one doesn't like them. I'm not talking about "getting" them for anything. I'm simply pointing out that they're hardly the trumped up version of "threat" being alluded to. When you have a past of at the very least vandalism and possibly acts of sabotage that could kill people, you are definitely a threat. Not a threat in the sense of unarmed protesters or Kent State students, but as in a legit, terrorist threat. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 26, 2011 15:53:07 GMT -5
Why do I get the sense that if most people in this thread agreed more with Sea Shepherd that they'd be in favor of a lowered fine, them getting their boat back, and investigations made against Fish and Fish along with the other companies Sea Shepherd has terrorized?
It's easy enough to be in favor of injustice when it's being used against people you disagree with. There is no reason why this should happen. Justice should be blind.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 26, 2011 15:55:23 GMT -5
The only thing I agree with is investigating the companies.
Other than that, I don't see any injustice. I do, however, see justice, just justice that's not being spread around enough.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 26, 2011 16:03:05 GMT -5
I think if a group you agreed with were to get slapped with an almost 1 million pound fine when you know they can't pay it you'd agree there's some injustice there. Of course, I don't know how laws work over in the UK. But it seems almost cruel here and smells of corporations getting their slimy tentacles into things.
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Post by Kit Walker on Jul 26, 2011 16:03:34 GMT -5
Why do I get the sense that if most people in this thread agreed more with Sea Shepherd that they'd be in favor of a lowered fine, them getting their boat back, and investigations made against Fish and Fish along with the other companies Sea Shepherd has terrorized? It's easy enough to be in favor of injustice when it's being used against people you disagree with. There is no reason why this should happen. Justice should be blind. 1) Man, who has a criminal history of boat-based vandalism, is accused of boat based vandalism. 2) His boat is in impounded pending investigation. 3) The bond for the boat is set high so as to discourage him using it for boat-based vandalism (much like you set a suspect's bond high to discourage them from fleeing). Where exactly is the injustice here? |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 26, 2011 16:08:39 GMT -5
Why do I get the sense that if most people in this thread agreed more with Sea Shepherd that they'd be in favor of a lowered fine, them getting their boat back, and investigations made against Fish and Fish along with the other companies Sea Shepherd has terrorized? It's easy enough to be in favor of injustice when it's being used against people you disagree with. There is no reason why this should happen. Justice should be blind. 1) Man, who has a criminal history of boat-based vandalism, is accused of boat based vandalism. 2) His boat is in impounded pending investigation. 3) The bond for the boat is set high so as to discourage him using it for boat-based vandalism (much like you set a suspect's bond high to discourage them from fleeing). Where exactly is the injustice here? The part where it's high as hell with very little hope of paying it much less getting your boat back. I don't suspect the Steve Irwin will be any more than woodchips when they can't pay to get their boat back even after the investigation is done. ETA- oh, and the lack of the investigation into Fish and Fish. Like I keep saying. Unless I missed the part where they said they were investigating both parties. Which I may have, honestly. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 26, 2011 16:12:42 GMT -5
I think if a group you agreed with were to get slapped with an almost 1 million pound fine when you know they can't pay it you'd agree there's some injustice there. Of course, I don't know how laws work over in the UK. But it seems almost cruel here and smells of corporations getting their slimy tentacles into things. I'm sorry, I don't agree with terrorist tactics, attempts to sabotage and potentially kill people, and other such illegal activity. And from what I've seen of your posts, I'm surprised YOU support them. In all honesty, the founder of Sea Shepherd deserves jail time. Their punishment is light. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 26, 2011 16:13:30 GMT -5
I think if a group you agreed with were to get slapped with an almost 1 million pound fine when you know they can't pay it you'd agree there's some injustice there. Of course, I don't know how laws work over in the UK. But it seems almost cruel here and smells of corporations getting their slimy tentacles into things. I'm sorry, I don't agree with terrorist tactics, attempts to sabotage and potentially kill people, and other such illegal activity. In all honesty, the founder of Sea Shepherd deserves jail time. Their punishment is light. What of the corporations and the people who overfish? Do they get jail time, too? :3 |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 26, 2011 16:15:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I don't agree with terrorist tactics, attempts to sabotage and potentially kill people, and other such illegal activity. In all honesty, the founder of Sea Shepherd deserves jail time. Their punishment is light. What of the corporations and the people who overfish? Do they get jail time, too? :3 Hopefully, yes. However, I'm happy with this for now. Just because X is receiving justice and Y isn't is not injustice, it's justice that hasn't been spread around enough. Sea Shepard is getting far less than what they deserve. They are criminals, they deserve to be treated like them. If you want to catch whalers, do it LEGALLY. Don't be Sea Shepherd. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 26, 2011 16:20:09 GMT -5
Okay Shane, let me ask you a question. This is a hypothetical.
Let's say a company is doing some shady business deals. Let's say a group delivers low-grade explosives to the building, constantly defaces it, nearly kills several people working for said company, and broadcasts it all on television while saying that they're going to keep doing it until the company stops its shady business deals.
Would you consider said group getting arrested an injustice? Bearing in mind that what legally happens to said company is irrelevant, I'm focusing on the group itself.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 26, 2011 16:22:50 GMT -5
I will not be happy until I see the whalers get slapped with the book too within the next 3 years after this.
Yes, Sea Shepherd has extreme tactics. Yes, it's surprising I support their mission. But you know what? I agree with the basic creed. That the whale's life is important too.
You want to research whale anatomy? Fine. But killing 100+ of them is not research. You like how whale meat tastes? Fine. But the whales need to have their population supported.
we humans seem to enjoy hunting other creatures to the brink of extinction and even to extinction.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 26, 2011 16:25:38 GMT -5
I will not be happy until I see the whalers get slapped with the book too within the next 3 years after this. What happened to justice being blind? Remember, justice being blind means that it judges each case on its own merit. Sea Shepherd has committed terrorist acts, and thus, action has been taken against them. Justice has been accomplished. So, basically, terrorism is okay when you agree with their basic creed. Good to know. I agree with this. However, none of this justifies Sea Shepherd's actions. |
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