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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 27, 2011 4:42:56 GMT -5
@art- You hit the nail on the head about bullshit being bullshit and 'for science' being a piss-poor excuse (meanwhile emphasizing my point about how it isn't research at all). I wish they'd just be fucking honest about what they're doing with the whales they get.
Also, I think they have managed to emulate it in Hawaii and California through various techniques. It depends on the size of the whale and everything else, tho.
Too lazy to go back and quote the post
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 27, 2011 4:48:40 GMT -5
@art- You hit the nail on the head about bullshit being bullshit and 'for science' being a piss-poor excuse (meanwhile emphasizing my point about how it isn't research at all). I wish they'd just be fucking honest about what they're doing with the whales they get. That's my biggest beef with the whalers too. As I said, I'm all for it as long as it's sustainable, just call it what it is and stop treating us like morons. Also, I think they have managed to emulate it in Hawaii and California through various techniques. It depends on the size of the whale and everything else, tho. Seriously? That's pretty cool I must say. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 27, 2011 4:56:50 GMT -5
Yeah. Call a spade a spade and get it over with, already.
as for the whale breeding... pretty sure. It's after all 6 AM and I haven't slept in a day, too.
*googles a little* I found some info about orca breeding in captivity. It's mostly artificial insemination mixed with careful monitoring of mother and calf. I think that may be what I was remembering. I could have sworn I saw some efforts to breed humpbacks in captivity as well as a few other species... But my googling is lacking. Though I'm sure people already heard about the orca captive breeding. And orca aren't hunted as much as the other whales. Probably cause they seem capable of taking care of themselves... Or there's just no demand for Free Willy.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 27, 2011 5:08:36 GMT -5
Or there's just no demand for Free Willy. So that's why I'm not gettin' any. I'm not charging any money. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 27, 2011 9:17:18 GMT -5
Um... well it is my position that it does. Inteligence and being self aware is what makes humans wrong to eat, thus it should apply to whale. Not really. CJD is what makes humans wrong to eat. You mean Kurru. And prions make it a bad idea to eat humans, they don't make it wrong. |
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Post by Ranger Joe on Jul 27, 2011 9:44:26 GMT -5
Okay Shane, let me ask you a question. This is a hypothetical. Let's say a company is doing some shady business deals. Let's say a group delivers low-grade explosives to the building, constantly defaces it, nearly kills several people working for said company, and broadcasts it all on television while saying that they're going to keep doing it until the company stops its shady business deals. Would you consider said group getting arrested an injustice? Bearing in mind that what legally happens to said company is irrelevant, I'm focusing on the group itself. That would only be an equal hypothetical if the bombing group also had their people hurt like the Sea Shepherd has had their people hurt. Also, you said arrest. Simple arrest. That isn't on the same scale as this. If you're going to give me a hypothetical of humans against humans with explosives at least put it on the same scale as this instance. If however you had said that each person involved in the bombing group had all of their cars impounded with let us say... $250K on each car (and we'll say the group has 4 people which brings it up to about the same as Steve Irwin's impound charge) then yes, it would be an inflated charge and I would consider it unjust. Especially when this group does not in a million years have the proper funds to get their vehicles back. The vehicles will be returned after the investigation is completed, provided no charges are placed. The entire point of the bond is to make sure the activity ceases until the trial itself. Judges can set bail for flight risks or danger risks to keep people in prison (or vehicles impounded) so that the activity doesn't continue. I dont give a fuck about these people either way...I don't like nor dislike..I just don't see the injustice here. |
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Post by dasfuchs on Jul 27, 2011 10:20:59 GMT -5
@art- You hit the nail on the head about bullshit being bullshit and 'for science' being a piss-poor excuse (meanwhile emphasizing my point about how it isn't research at all). I wish they'd just be fucking honest about what they're doing with the whales they get. Also, I think they have managed to emulate it in Hawaii and California through various techniques. It depends on the size of the whale and everything else, tho. Too lazy to go back and quote the postI'm not so sure it's not research. They may use it to take more, but it makes no sense since they can't export the meat and they can't sell it because demand isn't really high. Add to that the Japanese also send non lethal research ships to the Antarctic (which the SS has attacked before as well) |
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 27, 2011 10:37:37 GMT -5
I'm not so sure it's not research. They may use it to take more, but it makes no sense since they can't export the meat and they can't sell it because demand isn't really high. Add to that the Japanese also send non lethal research ships to the Antarctic (which the SS has attacked before as well) Research or "research?" I keep reading that the findings are not widely published and contradict established findings. Granted, I'd like a better source to confirm such claims, but these hardly sound like the actions fo someone out to do legit research. |
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Post by scotsgit on Jul 27, 2011 10:54:54 GMT -5
Of course, Watson and friends could have launched an appeal against the imposing of the bond. They should also have pointed out that, under Scots Law, you can only pay what you can afford, although that does make me wonder how rich Watson is......
I don't support him or his shower: I'm against Whale hunting, but this crowd take it all too far.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 27, 2011 11:15:48 GMT -5
I'm not so sure it's not research. They may use it to take more, but it makes no sense since they can't export the meat and they can't sell it because demand isn't really high. Add to that the Japanese also send non lethal research ships to the Antarctic (which the SS has attacked before as well) Research or "research?" I keep reading that the findings are not widely published and contradict established findings. Granted, I'd like a better source to confirm such claims, but these hardly sound like the actions fo someone out to do legit research. IIRC, the "research" involves counting ear hairs to determine the age of the whales. I don't know why, but to me it sort of sounds like cutting a tree down to determine the health of the heartwood. |
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 27, 2011 15:20:59 GMT -5
IIRC, the "research" involves counting ear hairs to determine the age of the whales. I don't know why, but to me it sort of sounds like cutting a tree down to determine the health of the heartwood. "We're here to inspect the building...Hey Ed got the kerosene?" |
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Post by dasfuchs on Jul 27, 2011 22:55:11 GMT -5
I'm not so sure it's not research. They may use it to take more, but it makes no sense since they can't export the meat and they can't sell it because demand isn't really high. Add to that the Japanese also send non lethal research ships to the Antarctic (which the SS has attacked before as well) Research or "research?" I keep reading that the findings are not widely published and contradict established findings. Granted, I'd like a better source to confirm such claims, but these hardly sound like the actions fo someone out to do legit research. Here's where their research goes and who approves them continuing it iwcoffice.org/ |
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Post by Mantorok on Jul 28, 2011 0:48:53 GMT -5
Riiiiight. So what exactly puts whales on a higher level than any other non-human animal? LHM said sentience. They are believed to be self aware. Dolphins like Chimpanzees can recognise themselves in mirrors. Time to stop eating bacon then: www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/10/pigs-and-mirrors/ |
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Post by davedan on Jul 28, 2011 1:19:35 GMT -5
Unfortunately for pigs they suffer from the same debilitating deliciousness which afflicts squid and octopi |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 28, 2011 1:43:45 GMT -5
I don't eat bacon either. Or chicken, for that matter. Anything battery raised is out. |
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