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Post by Snegurochka on Mar 5, 2009 20:49:22 GMT -5
You know, I pretty much revile the Duggar Brood, too, but. . . admittedly, after the whole debacle with Octomom, I have a microscopic amount of respect for them. At least they budget and can afford their kids.
That said, fuck their show. I watch it for the same reason I come to FSTDT: to remind myself that I will be a better person.
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Post by the sandman on Mar 5, 2009 21:13:17 GMT -5
"Well. We believe in creation. But science just uses circular logic. I asked a friend of mine who is a scientist how they date dinosaur bones. He said they do it by dating the rocks. When I asked him how they date the rocks, he said they do it by dating the bones. You see? It's circular logic!" At this point my IQ dropped 50 points and I fell down a flight of stairs. Ya know, I hear this chestnut all the damn time from other teachers and church members (I work, as some of you may know, as a teacher at a conservative Christian school....despite the fact that I am card-carrying liberal*), despite the fact that no scientist, ever, in the history of the world, has EVER said this. * I have an actual card. It says "ACLU."
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Post by Paradox on Mar 5, 2009 21:36:49 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks their job is to crank out as many infants as humanly possible seriously needs to examine the current estimated global population. They think that Jesus will magically fix the problem. I can't help but wonder, what would His motivation be to do so? If we fuck up the planet with our carelessness, why would any deity give us another chance? If you rented a family a house and you came back to find shit all over the floors, holes punched in the walls, and all the electrical wiring torn out and draped playfully over the kitchen table, would you let that family rent from you again?
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Post by MozMode on Mar 5, 2009 22:23:09 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks their job is to crank out as many infants as humanly possible seriously needs to examine the current estimated global population. They think that Jesus will magically fix the problem. I can't help but wonder, what would His motivation be to do so? If we fuck up the planet with our carelessness, why would any deity give us another chance? If you rented a family a house and you came back to find shit all over the floors, holes punched in the walls, and all the electrical wiring torn out and draped playfully over the kitchen table, would you let that family rent from you again? Yeah "fix the problem" by having her cervix fall completely out of her body. Who knows what kind of issues she has with bladder control. I wish people like this would wake up and realize how much being pregnant 12+ times ravages your body. Per the internetz, she's been pregnant 11 years of her life (!!!) What a waste. EDIT: Oh hellz no. Per Wikipedia, The Duggars claim they live debt-free, which Jim Bob has said is "the fruit of Jim Sammons' Financial Freedom Seminar" he attended years ago. However, charity and donations of food and household appliances provides in large part for their lifestyle. Their large house was completed on January 20, 2006 with aid from Discovery Networks and corporate sponsors. So Discover Channel is not only giving them their own crappy show, but they also paid for their house!!??
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Post by Aqualung on Mar 5, 2009 23:05:16 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks their job is to crank out as many infants as humanly possible seriously needs to examine the current estimated global population. It's obvious to you and me but unfortunately there are a lot of people out there who don't think it's a problem. There was a thread about Octo-mom on diabetesforums.com, which I am a member of. While most of the members over there share the 'she's fucking nuts!' sentiment, I ranted about how people like this are destroying the earth and the planet can't take any more of this shit. Some asshole replied with this beauty: The planet seems to be handling people pretty well. I think it's the people that have a problem handling the planet.*bashes head against wall until passed out* Yes, I went back and looked it up; I'd submit it to public admin but you have to have an account over there to really read anything. No wonder I quit posting over there mostly; every time some political or religious topic comes up it stirs up a shitstorm and the mods come in and go 'now now children, play nice or we'll have to close this thread!!'
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 5, 2009 23:21:10 GMT -5
we have GOT to stop rewarding people (the Duggars, John and Kate, and the rest of their ilk) for breeding irresponsibly. I think that is unfair to Jon and Kate, they were just trying to get a third child and ended up with eight. Their brood isn't intentional like the Duggars. (Is a fanboy who saw Kate Gosselin talk in person) I don't view the Gosselin family any better than the Duggars. Their six kids didn't "just happen", it was IVF--and a dangerous move on their part. (I have my own opinions of people who go through IVF. I think they're selfish. Bonus points when they keep unhealthily large numbers of fetuses, like Octopussy and Kate Gosselin did.) If they wanted JUST a third, they could have had JUST a third. Nobody told them they HAD to have all six. A selective reduction is strongly, strongly recommended for women expecting more than three at a time, because the risks MAGNIFY with multiple babies, especially the risks associated with premature births. I've also seen the show a few times and it's pretty clear that the woman doesn't handle stress or the multiple children very well. Sometimes it's just pure chaos. You can think differently, and that's fine, but I think they're selfish and irresponsible.
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Post by MozMode on Mar 5, 2009 23:25:18 GMT -5
I think that is unfair to Jon and Kate, they were just trying to get a third child and ended up with eight. Their brood isn't intentional like the Duggars. (Is a fanboy who saw Kate Gosselin talk in person) I don't view the Gosselin family any better than the Duggars. Their six kids didn't "just happen", it was IVF--and a dangerous move on their part. (I have my own opinions of people who go through IVF. I think they're selfish. Bonus points when they keep unhealthily large numbers of fetuses, like Octopussy and Kate Gosselin did.) If they wanted JUST a third, they could have had JUST a third. Nobody told them they HAD to have all six. A selective reduction is strongly, strongly recommended for women expecting more than three at a time, because the risks MAGNIFY with multiple babies, especially the risks associated with premature births. I've also seen the show a few times and it's pretty clear that the woman doesn't handle stress or the multiple children very well. Sometimes it's just pure chaos. You can think differently, and that's fine, but I think they're selfish and irresponsible. I agree with you. She chose to keep all six...she could've had a selective reduction.
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Post by Jebediah on Mar 5, 2009 23:34:43 GMT -5
I don't view the Gosselin family any better than the Duggars. Their six kids didn't "just happen", it was IVF--and a dangerous move on their part. (I have my own opinions of people who go through IVF. I think they're selfish. Bonus points when they keep unhealthily large numbers of fetuses, like Octopussy and Kate Gosselin did.) If they wanted JUST a third, they could have had JUST a third. Nobody told them they HAD to have all six. A selective reduction is strongly, strongly recommended for women expecting more than three at a time, because the risks MAGNIFY with multiple babies, especially the risks associated with premature births. I've also seen the show a few times and it's pretty clear that the woman doesn't handle stress or the multiple children very well. Sometimes it's just pure chaos. A direct quote from the Gosselin's website: "Yes, we used IUI, which is very different from IVF. IUI is intrauterine insemination where you take meds, are monitored via ultrasound and then your husband’s contribution is placed via catheter. There are no eggs “removed” or “put back” as with IVF. So, we were truly unaware that there were 7 possible babies in there on the day that our procedure was done…or I can assure you, we would not have gone through with it!! (We were told that there were 3 with a possibility of 4 which was, by my doctor, considered excellent to proceed.)" I do agree though, that they could have chosen to keep just one of the babies. But at the same time, they are a religious family, and that's probably why they decided to keep them all when they found out it was going to be a multiple birth. And at least they stopped at eight. I mean, she has ten less than Michelle Duggar.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 5, 2009 23:41:32 GMT -5
Let me guess, they're good god fearing republicans who believe that welfares a sin?
How do I get people to give me money? I have to go adopt an abused animal and set up a begging site. Or I could feed my old boy Dog Chow until all his hair fell out.
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Post by BenderBRodriguez on Mar 5, 2009 23:50:28 GMT -5
Yeah. The Duggars get their house tax-free because they're a 'church' (yeah, I dunno either), and get massive amounts of donations and money from television shows and specials. Their house was built from donations and most of their appliances were donated, as well. And they STILL have to live thriftily. If they were just a normal family living by their own means, they wouldn't be able to afford to live the life they do. They'd be..... I dunno, they'd be selling their kid's kidneys in order to pay for groceries. Nadya Suleiman actually has astonishingly high disapproval. Fortunately. She's BEGGED for her own show, for TV appearances, endorsements, ANYTHING that anybody will throw at her. Because other people with massive broods get TV shows, she figured it'd happen for her, as well, and that she'd get rich from it, but everybody seems to think she's such a stupid selfish BITCH for doing what she did that for the most part she's being either ignored or outright FLAMED for her crap. I think this needs to be a more prolific trend--we have GOT to stop rewarding people (the Duggars, John and Kate, and the rest of their ilk) for breeding irresponsibly. CHURCH (for lack of a better word)
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Post by BenderBRodriguez on Mar 5, 2009 23:56:29 GMT -5
I also have a problem with their trip to El Salvador in which they totally showed their lack of knowledge of anything outside the United States, with such gems as "the richest people there are the equivalent of the poorest back home" (little does he know that El Salvador switched to the US dollar about 8 years ago and there ARE plenty of rich people there.
The Duggars make me sick.
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Post by wisechild on Mar 6, 2009 0:50:18 GMT -5
I also hate that all the girls where skirts because they think it's pleasing to the lord or some such nonesense. My favorite Duggar is probably Jinger. She always looks really pissed off when they go on trips. I think she will be the first to break away and wear pants. Did anyone see the episode where the oldest kid got engaged? They had never kissed because they wanted to stay pure until the wedding, and have their first kiss be their wedding kiss. . . . . That's what I don't like about them, they have the camera on them, and they get to define what they think is "Christian". Like, for example prairie dresses and no pants on girls. The boys all have the same haircut, and the girls will probably never have their hair cropped above their chins. It's all kind of creepy. To Michelle's credit, she seems like a kind hearted person, but this kind of Fundie, in reality, is obliged to take on authoritarian personalities, especially in regards to child rearing. It's self-righteous oneupmanship, that they manage to do with a big smile.
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Post by Mira on Mar 6, 2009 1:13:26 GMT -5
I think that is unfair to Jon and Kate, they were just trying to get a third child and ended up with eight. Their brood isn't intentional like the Duggars. (Is a fanboy who saw Kate Gosselin talk in person) I don't view the Gosselin family any better than the Duggars. Their six kids didn't "just happen", it was IVF--and a dangerous move on their part. (I have my own opinions of people who go through IVF. I think they're selfish. Bonus points when they keep unhealthily large numbers of fetuses, like Octopussy and Kate Gosselin did.) If they wanted JUST a third, they could have had JUST a third. Nobody told them they HAD to have all six. A selective reduction is strongly, strongly recommended for women expecting more than three at a time, because the risks MAGNIFY with multiple babies, especially the risks associated with premature births. I've also seen the show a few times and it's pretty clear that the woman doesn't handle stress or the multiple children very well. Sometimes it's just pure chaos. You can think differently, and that's fine, but I think they're selfish and irresponsible. As Jebediah said, they used IUI not IVF. Still, the chances of having sextuplets with or without fertility treatment is astoundingly remote. They had no idea what they were getting into. I am pro-choice which means that you should be able to choose not to have selective reduction. She made that decision and I don't judge her for it. My aunt wanted a fourth child and she ended up with quadruplets. Just because she has seven children doesn't mean she is irresponsible, she was just unlucky (still I am glad all my cousins are here today.) For the chaos comment, you try having eight chillens. /fanboy
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Post by MSTKL on Mar 6, 2009 2:49:01 GMT -5
I also have a problem with their trip to El Salvador in which they totally showed their lack of knowledge of anything outside the United States, with such gems as "the richest people there are the equivalent of the poorest back home" (little does he know that El Salvador switched to the US dollar about 8 years ago and there ARE plenty of rich people there. The Duggars make me sick. That episode made me sad. Jim Bob said 'back-o' and was serious. Pathetic... And a recent one where they went to a film festival was terrible! I hate how self-righteous they get. R-rated movies are good movies too! They're given an R rating for a reason-so people can make (more) informed decisions about whether to see them. I must be masochistic or something. I just can't stop watching it.
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Post by Pookie on Mar 6, 2009 9:04:01 GMT -5
I don't watch it myself because I don't want to advocate their rampant and irresponsible baby-making. Besides, if I wanted to cringe and exclaim in disbelief at the television I'd just change the channel to TruTV and watch Most Shocking or World's Dumbest Criminals.
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