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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 22, 2011 5:33:23 GMT -5
I'm aware of that. However the idea that it's worse than being eaten alive by a bear is quite frankly ridiculous. Still assuming that the story is true... I'd ask the girl how she feels, but if the story is true, she's dead now. She's no longer feeling pain now. Of course, she's not feeling anything now, so that's rather moot. At the time, yes, the girl was feeling the worse suffering, since I'm pretty sure being eaten alive is a very painful experience regardless. 20 years down the road, however, that mother would probably still be blaming herself for her daughter's death, never letting herself live it down, psychologically abusing herself. One is acute suffering, the other is not. Never underestimate the effects of psychological suffering. There's a reason why it's traumatic to hear about a loved one being eaten alive. It's because being eaten alive is one of the worst ways to die, probably right up there with burning alive (as well as dying itself being something we all try to avoid, suicidal people excepted). Let me ask you this then. Would you rather be eaten alive by bears over the course of an hour or so, or would you rather hear it happen to someone else? I must say if you pick the former you're either a lying tit, don't quite comprehend how painful it would be or are one of the most stupidly heroic bastards ever.
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Aug 22, 2011 6:42:26 GMT -5
Gah...
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 22, 2011 9:29:15 GMT -5
There's been some speculation about the possibility that he might have been suffering from untreated bipolar disorder, which wouldn't shock me in the least. His behavior shows some classic signs of mania, and he had a history of paranoia, low periods and substance abuse. There are actually a lot of parallels between his behavior around the bears, and the self-medicating seem amongst people who suffer from mental illness, though his behavior was a hell of a lot more extreme. It's difficult to watch his tapes without flinching, even if you didn't know he'd been killed by a bear. He practically treats them like dogs (bears and dogs do share some traits, being that they have a recent common ancestor, but anyone with an ounce of common sense should know that it's downright moronic to treat them as one and the same, for obvious reasons), readily approaches mothers and their cubs, and even tries to touch the animals. The fucked up thing is that there's a very realistic possibility that a future bear attack could result from him habituating bears to humans, if it hasn't happened already. I must say if you pick the former you're either a lying tit, don't quite comprehend how painful it would be or are one of the most stupidly heroic bastards ever. In fairness, I think most parents would choose the former over having their own child go through it.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 22, 2011 12:42:29 GMT -5
Still assuming that the story is true... I'd ask the girl how she feels, but if the story is true, she's dead now. She's no longer feeling pain now. Of course, she's not feeling anything now, so that's rather moot. At the time, yes, the girl was feeling the worse suffering, since I'm pretty sure being eaten alive is a very painful experience regardless. 20 years down the road, however, that mother would probably still be blaming herself for her daughter's death, never letting herself live it down, psychologically abusing herself. One is acute suffering, the other is not. Never underestimate the effects of psychological suffering. There's a reason why it's traumatic to hear about a loved one being eaten alive. It's because being eaten alive is one of the worst ways to die, probably right up there with burning alive (as well as dying itself being something we all try to avoid, suicidal people excepted). Let me ask you this then. Would you rather be eaten alive by bears over the course of an hour or so, or would you rather hear it happen to someone else? I must say if you pick the former you're either a lying tit, don't quite comprehend how painful it would be or are one of the most stupidly heroic bastards ever. Thanks for, you know, deciding my answer for me. Before I even got a chance to post. Because that's a perfect argumentative tactic. And yes, I would choose to die instead, even by being eaten alive, as painful as it is. No parent wants to hear their child suffering.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 22, 2011 23:53:56 GMT -5
There's a reason why it's traumatic to hear about a loved one being eaten alive. It's because being eaten alive is one of the worst ways to die, probably right up there with burning alive (as well as dying itself being something we all try to avoid, suicidal people excepted). Let me ask you this then. Would you rather be eaten alive by bears over the course of an hour or so, or would you rather hear it happen to someone else? I must say if you pick the former you're either a lying tit, don't quite comprehend how painful it would be or are one of the most stupidly heroic bastards ever. Thanks for, you know, deciding my answer for me. Before I even got a chance to post. Because that's a perfect argumentative tactic. And yes, I would choose to die instead, even by being eaten alive, as painful as it is. No parent wants to hear their child suffering. I personally find that very hard to believe.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 23, 2011 0:14:01 GMT -5
I think he meant if it was his child, and not just some random person.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 23, 2011 4:10:07 GMT -5
Thanks for, you know, deciding my answer for me. Before I even got a chance to post. Because that's a perfect argumentative tactic. And yes, I would choose to die instead, even by being eaten alive, as painful as it is. No parent wants to hear their child suffering. I personally find that very hard to believe. Of course you do.
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Post by tygerarmy on Aug 23, 2011 17:52:46 GMT -5
There's been some speculation about the possibility that he might have been suffering from untreated bipolar disorder, which wouldn't shock me in the least. His behavior shows some classic signs of mania, and he had a history of paranoia, low periods and substance abuse. There are actually a lot of parallels between his behavior around the bears, and the self-medicating seem amongst people who suffer from mental illness, though his behavior was a hell of a lot more extreme. It's difficult to watch his tapes without flinching, even if you didn't know he'd been killed by a bear. He practically treats them like dogs (bears and dogs do share some traits, being that they have a recent common ancestor, but anyone with an ounce of common sense should know that it's downright moronic to treat them as one and the same, for obvious reasons), readily approaches mothers and their cubs, and even tries to touch the animals. The fucked up thing is that there's a very realistic possibility that a future bear attack could result from him habituating bears to humans, if it hasn't happened already. I must say if you pick the former you're either a lying tit, don't quite comprehend how painful it would be or are one of the most stupidly heroic bastards ever. In fairness, I think most parents would choose the former over having their own child go through it. The first college I went to, Embry-riddle Aeronautical University my first semester there I had a writing class, the writing professor idolized Timothy. His book was our course project. I took the side that Timothy Treadwell is an idiot. The professor failed me for it. I appealed all three other writing profs passed me so he gave me a D-. -_-
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Post by Thejebusfire on Aug 23, 2011 21:55:15 GMT -5
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 23, 2011 22:44:29 GMT -5
The first college I went to, Embry-riddle Aeronautical University my first semester there I had a writing class, the writing professor idolized Timothy. His book was our course project. I took the side that Timothy Treadwell is an idiot. The professor failed me for it. I appealed all three other writing profs passed me so he gave me a D-. -_- I hate profs like that. "You must have strong opinions! My strong opinions, that is."
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Aug 24, 2011 0:28:17 GMT -5
In 8th grade, we had to choose a descriptive word for a character, and support the word we chose with details from the story. I chose "boring" for the main character, and got a D because "your opinion is not the point of this essay." What? I believe it is, as long as I support it with passages from the story.
Stupid teacher.
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Post by Sleepy on Aug 24, 2011 1:00:15 GMT -5
That's a horrible teacher. As long as you provide reasonable support, you should get at least a C.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 24, 2011 1:19:37 GMT -5
Reminds me of the time when the entire class failed a project from this one teacher. Why?
The "lesson plan" listed a bunch of requirements, and we followed them all. Except for one that wasn't in the list, it was instead in the middle of a paragraph that, from all past experience, only repeated and summarized the list of requirements. So most students just read the list, which was supposed to be more detailed and informative than the summary paragraph.
Yeah. And no, he wouldn't reconsider it. I barely managed to hold back my anger enough so that I didn't blame him directly for the entire class failing.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 24, 2011 2:18:37 GMT -5
Anal K12 teachers are the worst.
In Junior High, the school had the already insanely picky IA teacher teach a science class. I had the misfortune of being in that class in grade 8.
Whenever we had to draw diagrams showing an experiment, he seemed to be more focused on the quality of the art than the actual science, so he'd subtract marks for minor proportion issues (in freaking 8th grade science class). He once circled a leaf that was slightly out of proportion with the rest of the drawing, and wrote "SERIOUS ERROR" next to it on some kid's homework, even though the actual experiment had nothing to do with the size of the leaves. You'd have thought it was an art class, rather than science.
Also, when we had to draw cross-sections of bananas, he made us draw them with seeds because "that's how they are in the wild!", even though the actual ones we were working with were grocery store bananas. SCIENCE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! You report on the results in front of you, not what they would be if you'd used something else. Gah.
I could go on for hours about the crazy shit he did, like the time he told my mom that he thought I was afraid of men during a parent-teacher interview (apparently he assumed this based on the fact that she's a single mom, even though I spent 50% of my time living with my dad), or when he flipped out because some kid accidentally squeaked his chair during a lesson.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Aug 26, 2011 7:30:04 GMT -5
and the thread has been officially derailed. YAY
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