Staff to Keep Quiet About Free Voter IDs

[MaybeNever]

Sept 10, 2011 19:18:53 GMT -5 Mlle Antéchrist said:

One brain good, no brains better?

No brains for the rank and file, no scruples for the leadership. Everybody wins.

[ltfred]

Moments after being fired, Larsen spoke to Sylvester in an interview.

"I decided that I thought it would be prudent as a fellow citizen of the state and just a decent human being in general to send out an email to all of my constituents where I work that they should be informed," Larsen recalled. "As a result, I am not apparently employed."

"At some point, my supervisor came in and wanted to talk to me so I left the room with her. We went and talked to another guy that's a little higher up and they said that they decided that -- they said that it was not appropriate for me to send that email... and they said that [DSPS Secretary] Dave Ross is going to be really mad when he sees the email and they figure it's best if we part ways."

"I don't know what to say other than this is the sort of authoritarian government we live under now," Sylvester told him.

"We have an administration that put out an edict warning DMV workers not to tell anyone that the ID that someone is requesting is free even though the legislature put funds away to make sure that someone who didn't have a driver's license could get an ID so they wouldn't have to pay to vote," the radio host added. "Mr. Larsen sent out an email reminding state workers [that the IDs were free] and for that they are so paranoid and so guilty of the very thing we accuse them of -- and that is voter suppression -- that they fired a man."

What evil! Do you know who else wanted people to vote in elections? HITLER!

[MaybeNever]

Gasp! You know who else was Hitler? HITLER!!

[booley]

Sept 10, 2011 19:02:56 GMT -5 Mlle Antéchrist said:

I love how Republicans are still trying to claim to be the party that supports freedom & the American constitution.

They do support freedom.

The freedom to keep people not like them from being able to do the same stuff.

The freedom of a clump of cells to be born into a life with few to no opportunities.

The freedom to work all your life to make the rich richer and then be thrown away like a piece of crap. And be called "a parasite" for expecting anything back.

The freedom to own a gun without the hassle of the responsibility that comes with owning a gun.

I could go on.

[cestlefun17]

Wow they aren't even trying to hide their dishonesty anymore.

The law, even if it only gives the illusion that there is a financial barrier to voting, should be ruled unconstitutional under the 14th and 24th Amendments which ban poll taxes for all elections.

[murdin]

"I don't know what to say other than this is the sort of authoritarian government we live under now," Sylvester told him.

But... it's teh dems that are after Big Guvnment, not the GOP. Silly!

[Distind]

Sept 10, 2011 18:22:25 GMT -5 caseagainstfaith said:

Sept 10, 2011 18:19:18 GMT -5 ltfred said:

There has not been a single case of vote fraud in decades; this is not designed to reduce that rate. It is, therefore, designed to reduce the rate of Democratic votes.

that's not 100% true. see gizmodo.com/5825014/how-the-2004-presidential-election-may-have-been-hacked Reeks a bit of conspiracy but not unfounded. There has been some evidence to feed this claim.

From what I've heard they didn't even need to be hacked, the machines are just bad enough that they plain don't work right. Which kills me, simple enough, vote added, tab vote, clear machine.

[canadian mojo]

What kills me is that we use paper ballots and pencils in Canada, and we can tell you who the prime minister is by the end of the day. Good look scamming that in a meaningful way.

[cestlefun17]

What kills me is that we use paper ballots and pencils in Canada, and we can tell you who the prime minister is by the end of the day. Good look scamming that in a meaningful way.

But to be fair, there are only like 20 people living in Canada. :-P

Paper and pen should be used on all ballots in the United States. The American people (and namely the media) are so impatient: they want to know the election results right now! Paper and pen may require a few days to count all the votes, but so what? The elections are held in November. The Congress isn't sworn in until January 3 and the President on January 20. Very rarely is an election such an emergency that it requires results in 24 hours or less.

[canadian mojo]

Sept 14, 2011 7:46:08 GMT -5 cestlefun17 said:

What kills me is that we use paper ballots and pencils in Canada, and we can tell you who the prime minister is by the end of the day. Good look scamming that in a meaningful way.

But to be fair, there are only like 20 people living in Canada. :-P

1 person counting 1000 ballots takes the same amount of time as 100 people counting 100000. <insert obligatory dumb Americans can't count to 1000 joke here>

[Amaranth]

Sept 12, 2011 3:06:06 GMT -5 cestlefun17 said:

Wow they aren't even trying to hide their dishonesty anymore.

The law, even if it only gives the illusion that there is a financial barrier to voting, should be ruled unconstitutional under the 14th and 24th Amendments which ban poll taxes for all elections.

Buuuut likely won't be because this is Amurrrrrica.

[cestlefun17]

1 person counting 1000 ballots takes the same amount of time as 100 people counting 100000. <insert obligatory dumb Americans can't count to 1000 joke here>

I suppose you're right but it depends on the ratio of poll workers hired to the population. Do we have 100 people for every 100,000 ballots? I don't know. And probably not when one machine is cheaper to use over the long run instead of hiring 100x as many people.

Buuuut likely won't be because this is Amurrrrrica.

Have a little faith in the American judicial system. Even though the 24th Amendment bans poll taxes only for federal elections, the Supreme Court has ruled that the 14th Amendment's due process clause also bans poll taxes for all state and local elections (Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections). We'll have to see if a Wisconsinite decides to sue.

[Amaranth]

Sept 15, 2011 11:10:35 GMT -5 cestlefun17 said:

Have a little faith in the American judicial system.

I do. Very little. America has given me that low faith threshold.

[MaybeNever]

Sept 15, 2011 11:10:35 GMT -5 cestlefun17 said:

1 person counting 1000 ballots takes the same amount of time as 100 people counting 100000. <insert obligatory dumb Americans can't count to 1000 joke here>

I suppose you're right but it depends on the ratio of poll workers hired to the population. Do we have 100 people for every 100,000 ballots? I don't know. And probably not when one machine is cheaper to use over the long run instead of hiring 100x as many people.

The problem isn't that we have different ratios, but that American counters would have to spend a lot of time falsifying ballots by hand, whereas machines can commit voter fraud far more efficiently. This frees up millions of man-hours which can be spent better toiling in the acid mines. The Republicans are truly the party of efficiency and industry!

[ltfred]

Do you guys have vote scrutineers from all parties allowed into the vote counting room?