Mississippi to Vote to Define Embryos as People

[itachirumon]

Sept 11, 2011 15:28:46 GMT -5 Amaranth said:

Sept 11, 2011 11:53:45 GMT -5 erictheblue said:

What would count for standing is a woman who (1) got pregnant, had a miscarriage, and was prosecuted for manslaughter, or (2) got pregnant, had an abortion, and was prosecuted for murder.

MANSLAUGHTER? That bitch should get the chair! We value life and we're not afraid to KILL YOU over it!

....Sorry, my sarcasm level seems to be stuck at 11.

Wooden Bender: I say we need to teach everybody our peaceful ways... by force!

[Amaranth]

Sept 12, 2011 2:33:55 GMT -5 sylvana said:

To a degree, I can kind of agree with this definition. Before everyone flames me though, let me explain. As science inevitably moves forward things like cloning will inevitably become a reality. Similarly genetic and cellular manipulation will probably allow for people to splice their genes into a blank egg and in effect clone a child to be their offspring. These would all be good things particularly in helping couples unable to have children to have genetically related offspring. I feel that giving these clones and genetically manipulated children equal rights and for them to be recognized as fully human would be essential.

You're SILLY.

[Ranger Joe]

Oh look. Legislation designed by people who should have been swallowed or shot across their mother's tits as opposed to not pulling out.

Stay classy Mississippi. I'm so glad I don't live there....

[cestlefun17]

To a degree, I can kind of agree with this definition. Before everyone flames me though, let me explain. As science inevitably moves forward things like cloning will inevitably become a reality. Similarly genetic and cellular manipulation will probably allow for people to splice their genes into a blank egg and in effect clone a child to be their offspring. These would all be good things particularly in helping couples unable to have children to have genetically related offspring. I feel that giving these clones and genetically manipulated children equal rights and for them to be recognized as fully human would be essential.

Even a cloned person would have to be "born" at some point. Even if s/he doesn't come out of a woman's body but out of a test tube, s/he is "born" at some point. Any autonomous, sentient baby, cloned or not, is considered a "person" under the 14th Amendment and is entitled to the equal protection of the law while on American soil, just like any other person. This proposed amendment wouldn't give anybody more rights.

To a degree though, I dont feel it would overturn Roe Vs Wade. After all, even if the embryo is declared a person. Roe Vs Wade established that a woman has first and sole right to her own body. Hence she should still be able to abort. Similarly she can insist that it was not murder because she was protecting her body from another "person". The fact that this person could not survive separate is a completely separate issue.

Roe v. Wade explicitly establishes that a fetus is not a person. Only a post-natal member of the species homo sapiens is legally a person. If a fetus is considered a person, its life cannot be taken away without due process of law. If this amendment were to be considered valid, a fetus' life could only be taken away if it committed a capital crime. Which is ludicrous. (EDIT: And the Supreme Court case Roper v. Simmons prohibits the use of the death penalty against criminals who committed their crime as minors.)

You know, the thing that amazes me, if the anti-choice crowd used as much effort to actually do something good instead of all this crap imagine how progressive our societies would be.

*Sigh.*