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Post by Paradox on Jun 3, 2009 18:10:27 GMT -5
I suppose I have one question for our visitor. Why do so many Christians insist on having media catered to them? You see it everywhere: Christian movies, Christian video games, Christian music... Why can't they just accept the non-offensive media instead of creating terrible ripoffs for themselves? I can field that one. There is this attitude within the subculture that we are supposed to be "in the world but not of it." This can be taken by the more sane of us to mean that while we live in this world we must take care not to compromise our values for those that others would adhere to, like the lust for money, power, and having sex with everything that moves, but rather hold fast and do the right thing. The less sane of us take this to mean that everything that we should shut ourselves off from the rest of the world in a sort of little fundie-bubble. They believe that just about anything secular is inherently bad. To be fair, it's easy to see where they get this. Paul and his pals were always talking about that sort of thing. But they lived in a very different society, one in which they were being actively persecuted and whose culture involved casual acceptance of things like gladiatorial games and emperor worship. But most fundies remain willfully ignorant about things like historical context. The thing is, popular entertainment and such things are, well, fun. Everybody wants to be part of the culture in which they live. Some very cleaver people have made a lot of money taking popular things, like rock music and video games, and making Jesusized versions of them. Christian rock music, Christian movies, Christian video games and the like may be the only rock music, movies, and video games a kid is allowed to play at all. The alternative is reading the Bible all day, and you can only read that so many times before you try to strangle yourself with a cordless mouse. So they buy the music, and video games, and movies, and t-shirts, and whatnot, and their parents let them because if it says Jesus, it must be good.
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Post by ironbite on Jun 4, 2009 0:40:37 GMT -5
Here's my question ya little fart Ironbite-the hell do get off thinking you know exactly what God is thinking? Nice, we have someone that comes over here and post what seem to be honest answers in a respectable way and they get called a.....little fart. No wonder more visitors from fundie site don't bother to visit. First off there was no call for that insult, and second....little fart....really......what are you in 1st grade. m52nickerson - thinks some people should think 3-4 time before posting.....and then don't. I don't enjoy being talked down to. Ironbite-this could become a trend if people aren't careful.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jun 4, 2009 1:20:21 GMT -5
Nice, we have someone that comes over here and post what seem to be honest answers in a respectable way and they get called a.....little fart. No wonder more visitors from fundie site don't bother to visit. First off there was no call for that insult, and second....little fart....really......what are you in 1st grade. m52nickerson - thinks some people should think 3-4 time before posting.....and then don't. I don't enjoy being talked down to. Ironbite-this could become a trend if people aren't careful. While Ironbite was a tad abraisive, I don't think "little fart" is all that serious. Quite frankly, I'm more exasperated with the way he worded his question. Quite frankly, I'VE been meaner to rrvisitor than Ironbite has. Ironbite is far from the first person to show him a little bit of hostility. Even so, that's because we have drive by posters all the time. Is it fair? Not really. But neither is the way Fundie sites react to THEIR visitors. I imagine that rrvisitor will come to be more accepted if he sticks around and keeps on the discussion train without descending into holier-than-thou-get-saved-or-burn comments. This is neither a defense nor a condemnation of anyone. I'm simply stating what I have observed.
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Post by m52nickerson on Jun 4, 2009 9:18:26 GMT -5
I don't enjoy being talked down to. Ironbite-this could become a trend if people aren't careful. Most people don't. Of course starting a post with an insult, even in jest, is talking down to someone. It was not needed.
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Post by m52nickerson on Jun 4, 2009 9:24:38 GMT -5
While Ironbite was a tad abraisive, I don't think "little fart" is all that serious. Quite frankly, I'm more exasperated with the way he worded his question. Quite frankly, I'VE been meaner to rrvisitor than Ironbite has. Ironbite is far from the first person to show him a little bit of hostility. Even so, that's because we have drive by posters all the time. Is it fair? Not really. But neither is the way Fundie sites react to THEIR visitors. I imagine that rrvisitor will come to be more accepted if he sticks around and keeps on the discussion train without descending into holier-than-thou-get-saved-or-burn comments. This is neither a defense nor a condemnation of anyone. I'm simply stating what I have observed. Had I seen those posts I would have commented on them. I just say Iron's in this thread. Just because a new poster comes here and is a member of RR does not mean they need to be accepted before they are shown common courtesy. As long as that person post in a respectful way and as you said avoids the holier-than-thou tact they should get some respect. Regardless of how RR or any other sites tread new posters.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jun 6, 2009 4:50:09 GMT -5
While Ironbite was a tad abraisive, I don't think "little fart" is all that serious. Quite frankly, I'm more exasperated with the way he worded his question. Quite frankly, I'VE been meaner to rrvisitor than Ironbite has. Ironbite is far from the first person to show him a little bit of hostility. Even so, that's because we have drive by posters all the time. Is it fair? Not really. But neither is the way Fundie sites react to THEIR visitors. I imagine that rrvisitor will come to be more accepted if he sticks around and keeps on the discussion train without descending into holier-than-thou-get-saved-or-burn comments. This is neither a defense nor a condemnation of anyone. I'm simply stating what I have observed. Had I seen those posts I would have commented on them. I just say Iron's in this thread. Just because a new poster comes here and is a member of RR does not mean they need to be accepted before they are shown common courtesy. As long as that person post in a respectful way and as you said avoids the holier-than-thou tact they should get some respect. Regardless of how RR or any other sites tread new posters. I suppose so. I was just thinking that, while none of the posts here are outright insulting, some of them are a little insulting in their implications. I'm also being a massive hypocrite. I've been an absolute douche to rrvisitor & am only recently starting to lighten up. I was fairly certain he was just our usual troll, you see.
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Post by dasfuchs on Jun 6, 2009 18:03:35 GMT -5
While Ironbite was a tad abraisive, I don't think "little fart" is all that serious. Quite frankly, I'm more exasperated with the way he worded his question. Quite frankly, I'VE been meaner to rrvisitor than Ironbite has. Ironbite is far from the first person to show him a little bit of hostility. Even so, that's because we have drive by posters all the time. Is it fair? Not really. But neither is the way Fundie sites react to THEIR visitors. I imagine that rrvisitor will come to be more accepted if he sticks around and keeps on the discussion train without descending into holier-than-thou-get-saved-or-burn comments. This is neither a defense nor a condemnation of anyone. I'm simply stating what I have observed. Had I seen those posts I would have commented on them. I just say Iron's in this thread. Just because a new poster comes here and is a member of RR does not mean they need to be accepted before they are shown common courtesy. As long as that person post in a respectful way and as you said avoids the holier-than-thou tact they should get some respect. Regardless of how RR or any other sites tread new posters. I agree. But, as was stated.. RRvisitor didn't do any of that. So actually, i think Ironbite's post was a bit less insulting and rude than I expected
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Post by Ian1732 on Jun 11, 2009 1:21:30 GMT -5
OOH! I got one! *Ahem* If phrases from the bible were "Modernized" ("Thou Shall Not Kill." becomes "Don't murder people. It's not cool.") which one do you think would sound the funniest? And another. What is the most interesting/strangest way you've ever imagined God as a physical manifestation? For me, it was as the big floating head, from The Wizard of Oz. And one more thing... Why hasn't my question been answered yet? I'm just curious, and trying to bring up a positive point to this discussion.
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Post by antichrist on Jun 11, 2009 20:02:55 GMT -5
OOH! I got one! *Ahem* If phrases from the bible were "Modernized" ("Thou Shall Not Kill." becomes "Don't murder people. It's not cool.") which one do you think would sound the funniest? And another. What is the most interesting/strangest way you've ever imagined God as a physical manifestation? For me, it was as the big floating head, from The Wizard of Oz. www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_PageClose enough? And one more thing... Why hasn't my question been answered yet? I'm just curious, and trying to bring up a positive point to this discussion.
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Post by oneanswer on Jun 13, 2009 23:09:10 GMT -5
Any ex-fundies want to give mine a shot? I'll give it a try. Why do you refuse to educate yourself on the language and culture the original Biblical texts were written in? Wouldn't such understanding enable you to better understand the Bible?As a fundie, I didn't even know the ancient texts were available. All I knew was the KJV and all those heretic bibles. Also this would be frowned upon as it is seen as questioning, where we are supposed to have blind faith. Were you aware that the "Red Sea parting" was the result of a mistranslation of the Hebrew phrase "Yam Suph", meaning "Reed sea" or "sea of reeds"?No I didn't know that as a fundie, and it would be brushed off as a lie, as the KJV is the holy inspired work of God. God wouldn't let his own book be mistranslated would he? Edit: More amusingly, I was once in a chatroom where a fundie claimed with complete seriousness that the Bible was originally written in English, which was the language God spoke. I still haven't been able to figure out if that guy was a Poe or not.Okay, that guy is just an idiot. Although I have met people who believe that English is the language spoken before the tower of Babel. Hence the fact that it includes a little bit from a bunch of different languages. Has absolutely nothing to do with English being a mutt language. So maybe the idea has evolved from when I was a fundie. I'm old enough to remember when ID was evolution with a "goddidit" at the beginning. OK, this is the only, and I do mean only thing I'm going to say on this site because I really don't want to get sucked into this argument. I believe both sides have good and bad points, and both sides have some people that handle it well and others that don't. Unfortunately, it seems as if my side is a little worse off right now because a lot of them don't educate themselves as they should. That's another reason I'm not answering these questions, because I don't have all the answers. I'm looking for them, but I don't have them now and won't pretend to. As for the Sea of Reeds thing, I remember hearing this a while back and was told by a teacher (neutral 3rd-party, no interest whatsoever) that the Sea of Reeds is no more than a foot or foot and a half at it deepest point, but unfortunately I can't find a link to it right now. Before anybody says anything, I'd like to say that regardless of whether the sea of reeds is extremely shallow or deep, it's still pretty amazing to think about. Either God drowned an entire army in less than a couple feet of water, or he parted a DEEP sea for a large group of people to cross, then drowned the army. Of course, this all assumes you believe the Biblical account, which I do. However, there wasn't a question put forth about whether the Biblical account was valid, so I'm not even gonna argue that. If your argument starts from the basis that the Bible is right about the parting of the sea, then you're just arguing semantics. OK, that's it.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jun 21, 2009 23:38:42 GMT -5
So. RRvisitor took off, then?
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Post by 1sunchild on Jul 6, 2009 18:24:46 GMT -5
Hey, I'm an RR member, go ahead, ask me a question. The answer may be different then you might think.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 6, 2009 18:27:56 GMT -5
What color is the invisible pink unicorn?
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Post by Vene on Jul 6, 2009 18:28:18 GMT -5
Can I lick you? [/pervert]
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Post by 1sunchild on Jul 6, 2009 18:32:06 GMT -5
What color is the invisible pink unicorn? I'll have to think about that one. Can I lick you? [/pervert] It may be kinda hard through the monitor, but you can give it a try. ;D
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