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Post by rageaholic on Nov 20, 2011 11:00:18 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been posted, but I don't think homeschooling is bad and actually support parents who do this. Yes, I understand that a lot of them are fundie nutcases (which is a damn shame), but public schools are such a toxic environment. From zero tolerance idiocy, to bullying, it's not a healthy place for teenagers. I actually agree with the statement that it's more like a prison than an educational institution.
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Post by lexikon on Nov 20, 2011 11:02:37 GMT -5
As long as teachers are regulated. No dum dums like assfly.
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Post by Vene on Nov 20, 2011 11:04:21 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been posted, but I don't think homeschooling is bad and actually support parents who do this. Yes, I understand that a lot of them are fundie nutcases (which is a damn shame), but public schools are such a toxic environment. From zero tolerance idiocy, to bullying, it's not a healthy place for teenagers. I actually agree with the statement that it's more like a prison than an educational institution. It depends a lot on the state (and individual district), but there is no reason homeschooling can't be done properly.
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Post by ironbite on Nov 20, 2011 14:56:44 GMT -5
Fred, you have hit the nail on the head here. You have said everything that I've wanted to say about the South, but was unable to articulate. One could portray the whole of American history as the reasonably-liberal North capitulating--not compromising with, capitulating--to the ultraconservative South. I say the Civil War didn't go far enough. Saying that it shouldn't have been fought is like saying that the Second World War shouldn't have been fought. What the North should have done was crank Reconstruction efforts up to eleven, by which I mean "dedixification". After all, the Allies, having learned from the total failure of the North to civilize the South after the Civil War, pulled out all the stops and showed no mercy to German culture with their denazification. After World War II, the allies would even show in movie theaters graphic footage of the horrors of the concentration camps with captions saying to the audience "These atrocities were YOUR fault!" We didn't have movies during the Civil War, but the North should have done something similar to South at least, probably with things like posters. But as Fred said, we missed our chance, and American conservatism is probably here to stay, which is why we Americans will forever be behind Europe, and it's all the South's fault. Northern Americans were never too keen on the whole "racism" or "economic exploitation" things. Had the South never existed, the United States would probably be as liberal as places like Scandinavia are now. The North's (and Europe's) philosophy is much closer to that of the Founders and the Framers than anything of the South. So I think that I would not be inaccurate to say that Southerners are not "real Americans". After all, they've been shitting on the ideals of this country literally since it was founded. It's cute how your idealism comes shining through.
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Post by brendanrizzo on Nov 20, 2011 15:52:34 GMT -5
Fred, you have hit the nail on the head here. You have said everything that I've wanted to say about the South, but was unable to articulate. One could portray the whole of American history as the reasonably-liberal North capitulating--not compromising with, capitulating--to the ultraconservative South. I say the Civil War didn't go far enough. Saying that it shouldn't have been fought is like saying that the Second World War shouldn't have been fought. What the North should have done was crank Reconstruction efforts up to eleven, by which I mean "dedixification". After all, the Allies, having learned from the total failure of the North to civilize the South after the Civil War, pulled out all the stops and showed no mercy to German culture with their denazification. After World War II, the allies would even show in movie theaters graphic footage of the horrors of the concentration camps with captions saying to the audience "These atrocities were YOUR fault!" We didn't have movies during the Civil War, but the North should have done something similar to South at least, probably with things like posters. But as Fred said, we missed our chance, and American conservatism is probably here to stay, which is why we Americans will forever be behind Europe, and it's all the South's fault. Northern Americans were never too keen on the whole "racism" or "economic exploitation" things. Had the South never existed, the United States would probably be as liberal as places like Scandinavia are now. The North's (and Europe's) philosophy is much closer to that of the Founders and the Framers than anything of the South. So I think that I would not be inaccurate to say that Southerners are not "real Americans". After all, they've been shitting on the ideals of this country literally since it was founded. It's cute how your idealism comes shining through. What is idealistic about this? (Not that that's a bad thing.) I all but said that the South will keep fundamentalism and ultraconservatism alive in America forevermore, while every other country passes us. I think that's pretty darn cynical.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 15:59:12 GMT -5
As long as teachers are regulated. No dum dums like assfly. AGREED. While I totally support home schooling, it has to be regulated! I may not have been regulated, but I was lucky in that I had a parent who actually wanted me to be prepared for the world. The only downside is that school bells scare the bejeezus out of me, since I'm not used to them. Probably a good reason for me to not become a teacher.
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Post by lexikon on Nov 20, 2011 16:51:43 GMT -5
As long as teachers are regulated. No dum dums like assfly. AGREED. While I totally support home schooling, it has to be regulated! I may not have been regulated, but I was lucky in that I had a parent who actually wanted me to be prepared for the world. The only downside is that school bells scare the bejeezus out of me, since I'm not used to them. Probably a good reason for me to not become a teacher. I was homsechooled by some teachers of my old school for one semester in 7th grade. I did fine, although I had to restart Spanish. It's cute how your idealism comes shining through. What is idealistic about this? (Not that that's a bad thing.) I all but said that the South will keep fundamentalism and ultraconservatism alive in America forevermore, while every other country passes us. I think that's pretty darn cynical. Sounds pretty idealistic for funditards. But do you think we should help them, or just let them sucede today? We have our own problems, and they are just going to elect representatives to slow us down. Although USA should still keep Florida. They can have Arizona if they wish
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 20, 2011 16:54:41 GMT -5
AGREED. While I totally support home schooling, it has to be regulated! I may not have been regulated, but I was lucky in that I had a parent who actually wanted me to be prepared for the world. The only downside is that school bells scare the bejeezus out of me, since I'm not used to them. Probably a good reason for me to not become a teacher. I was homsechooled by some teachers of my old school for one semester in 7th grade. I did fine, although I had to restart Spanish. What is idealistic about this? (Not that that's a bad thing.) I all but said that the South will keep fundamentalism and ultraconservatism alive in America forevermore, while every other country passes us. I think that's pretty darn cynical. Sounds pretty idealistic for funditards. But do you think we should help them, or just let them sucede today? We have our own problems, and they are just going to elect representatives to slow us down. Although USA should still keep Florida. They can have Arizona if they wish [/quote] If we let Texas secede, then Rick Perry can't run for President.
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Post by lexikon on Nov 20, 2011 16:57:51 GMT -5
I was homsechooled by some teachers of my old school for one semester in 7th grade. I did fine, although I had to restart Spanish. What is idealistic about this? (Not that that's a bad thing.) I all but said that the South will keep fundamentalism and ultraconservatism alive in America forevermore, while every other country passes us. I think that's pretty darn cynical. Sounds pretty idealistic for funditards. But do you think we should help them, or just let them sucede today? We have our own problems, and they are just going to elect representatives to slow us down. Although USA should still keep Florida. They can have Arizona if they wish If we let Texas secede, then Rick Perry can't run for President. [/quote] He can be the president of the Confederate States of Dumbfuckistan.
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Post by ltfred on Nov 20, 2011 17:15:40 GMT -5
But do you think we should help them, or just let them sucede today? Secession is not going to happen. It was only ever a 'threat' to the North (be exactly who we say, or our superior uber-mensch will leave and you'll all be screwed). Although the same beliefs exist (any time anyone refers to a 'Real American' or a 'Hot-blooded American', they mean white Southerners are better than everyone else) they won't be stupid enough to try it again. That means they've got to be dealt with. Southerners have to be given an effective voice, which means they must be given the universal capacity to think. The most effective weapon of the modern Southern aristocracy is their propaganda services, the Conservative Echo Chamber that is the media. Media reform is, without exception, the most important long-term aim of any Democrat or Democratic fundraising group. The Echo Chamber must be blown up and a rational media must replace it. Edit: that's why I think Al Gore is the most important modern Democrat. He's doing the most to ensure the long-term success of the United States of America, and, as an extension, the world.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 18:04:48 GMT -5
Edit: that's why I think Al Gore is the most important modern Democrat. He's doing the most to ensure the long-term success of the United States of America, and, as an extension, the world. He's a politician who did much to make money off of climate change, whipping people into a panicked frenzy about it, and then contributed more to the problem than anyone else in the United States due to the fact that his mansion uses insane amounts of electricity. He's part of the reason why climate change denialists have so much "evidence" to work with. I wouldn't trust him with the time of day.
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Post by ltfred on Nov 20, 2011 18:13:42 GMT -5
He's a politician who did much to make money off of climate change a documentary he made and the work he did, whipping people into a panicked frenzy perfectly reasonable worry about it, and then contributed more less to the problem than anyone else in the United States the energy and mining companies overwhelmingly responsible for the crisis due to the fact that his mansion uses insane amounts of electricity almost no nonrenewable electricity *. He's part of the reason why climate change denialists have so much "evidence" to work with I am such a very, very concerned troll. Fixed it for you. Edit: In any case, I was talking about his media work with Current TV, not any token actions he may or may not have done. If climate change is going to be stopped, it's going to be stopped by international or national policy, not by individual action. That's why a rational media, giving Americans the information required to force those governments to enact that policy, is so vitally important. *http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp "Al Gore... has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy-efficient..."
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Post by Vene on Nov 20, 2011 18:18:02 GMT -5
Panic? People are not panicking nearly enough over it. We needed to do something about it decades ago. At least Gore successfully brought attention to it. Not to mention he actually got the facts right.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 18:38:00 GMT -5
Panic? People are not panicking nearly enough over it. We needed to do something about it decades ago. At least Gore successfully brought attention to it. Not to mention he actually got the facts right. And there was a better way to do it other than making it sensationalist. Panic is never a good thing, Vene. Panic is when you lose all reason and run around screaming that the sky is falling. What we needed was reason. Instead, we got sensationalist propaganda that, while true, ended up dividing the nation. If it hadn't been Al Gore trying to make money off of a real issue, we probably wouldn't have had nearly much opposition to efforts to countermand climate change. Also, NOW Al Gore is making efforts to make his house more climate friendly, after getting his ass bit about it. He's a politician. Always has been, always will be.
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Post by ltfred on Nov 20, 2011 18:41:42 GMT -5
Panic? People are not panicking nearly enough over it. We needed to do something about it decades ago. At least Gore successfully brought attention to it. Not to mention he actually got the facts right. And there was a better way to do it other than making it sensationalist. Panic is never a good thing, Vene. Panic is when you lose all reason and run around screaming that the sky is falling. What we needed was reason. Instead, we got sensationalist propaganda that, while true, ended up dividing the nation. If it hadn't been Al Gore trying to make money off of a real issue, we probably wouldn't have had nearly much opposition to efforts to countermand climate change. Also, NOW Al Gore is making efforts to make his house more climate friendly, after getting his ass bit about it. He's a politician. Always has been, always will be. Get back under your bridge, troll. 'Sensationalist', true, 'propaganda' indeed.
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