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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 23:31:07 GMT -5
I know Zach, shame on me for wanting to base opinions on reality instead of gut feelings. Doesn't seem to stop you from doing so :-) Either way, nice selective reading in the article. I like how you ignored everything about the fact that, oh hey, doubt is on the rise only a mere two years after the movie Gore helped publicize. I forget, are you Australian?
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Post by Vene on Nov 20, 2011 23:32:40 GMT -5
That would be cute if you were a child.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 23:34:57 GMT -5
That would be cute if you were a child. Doesn't mean I'm wrong, does it?
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Post by ltfred on Nov 20, 2011 23:36:46 GMT -5
doubt is on the rise only a mere two years after the movie Gore helped publicize. Post hoc ergo procter hoc. Logical fallacy, fail. Oh, I think I'll take the opportunity to rebut the other claim- that Gore only upgraded his house after conservatrolling. Firstly, he FINISHED the expensive, slow, long-term upgrade after the conservatrolling, he certainly started at least a year before. Secondly, his house was still below average in carbon production anyway, and he tried to offset carbon production in other ways (charitable donations and such) and also by buying solar power. Thirdly, it doesn't even matter. Gore is asking for effective response to climate change- ie policy response to the energy and mining companies that overwhelmingly produce the problem. The problem will not be solved by every household choosing to change their behaviour, and it's a silly standard to require that Gore does so just because he wants the government to pass that policy.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 23:39:28 GMT -5
doubt is on the rise only a mere two years after the movie Gore helped publicize. Post hoc ergo procter hoc. Logical fallacy, fail. Says the person who has been engaging in nothing but flaming (outside of flame and burn, too) and ad hominem this entire conversation. Not to mention, oh hey, I've stopped talking about the house. Has anyone noticed? Nope. You two have been busy bringing it up over and over again yourselves because, hey, that's the only weak point you really seem to see in my argument... which I've already passed on in favor of something else.
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Post by ltfred on Nov 20, 2011 23:41:37 GMT -5
Post hoc ergo procter hoc. Logical fallacy, fail. Says the person who has been engaging in nothing but flaming (outside of flame and burn, too) and ad hominem this entire conversation. Nonsense, I've given your conservative propaganda all the refutation it deserves. If your reasoning is fallacious (as it mostly is) I will call it that.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 23:43:04 GMT -5
Says the person who has been engaging in nothing but flaming (outside of flame and burn, too) and ad hominem this entire conversation. Nonsense, I've given your conservative propaganda all the refutation it deserves. Uh-huh, k.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 20, 2011 23:43:39 GMT -5
Vene's argument is by far the most impressive, Zachski's is mostly selective reading & talking in circles, & all Fred has proved is that he doesn't understand what a troll is.
Hey, I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 23:45:51 GMT -5
Vene's argument is by far the most impressive, Zachski's is mostly selective reading & talking in circles, & all Fred has proved is that he doesn't understand what a troll is. Hey, I calls 'em as I sees 'em. My understanding of the situation is that two Australians think they know more about American politics than Americans do, and only one of them knows how to argue. My lack of skill in arguing aside. America looks a lot different from the outside than the inside, FYI.
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Post by Vene on Nov 20, 2011 23:46:54 GMT -5
I'm Australian? I never knew Minneapolis was in Australia.
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Post by sadhuman on Nov 20, 2011 23:49:26 GMT -5
I don't like Gore never have and never will, for many reasons and mostly just cause he is a giant...politician. I don't judge climate change nor the information presented in An Inconvenient Truth on that dislike but there are others who do. At the same time you can't blame Gore for using it for political gain nor for giving ammunition to people on the other side. No matter how the information was presented to the masses most of the people who do not believe in climate change would still not believe in it. Those who use Gore as an excuse for ignoring it would merely find a new excuse.
As for my potentially unpopular opinion I think OWS is both helping and hindering getting more regulations into American. I still support them but they are also allowing the opposite side to paint the movement to get more regulations as nothing more then a young hippy thing. But they are helping as well and the more big name people come out and support it the more the hippy movement insult will be brushed aside.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 23:50:22 GMT -5
I'm Australian? I never knew Minneapolis was in Australia. Hmm, I thought I remembered you being in Australia. Mea culpa. In either case, Al Gore is still a grand-stander and a politician. House mistake aside. The core of the argument that calling him the most important democrat is laughable. As a politician, he is still most concerned about his public appearance. As a defunct politician, all he'd do is embarrass the democratic party by trying to become relevant again.
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Post by ltfred on Nov 20, 2011 23:51:26 GMT -5
Zachski's is mostly selective reading & talking in circles, I would consider the use of logical fallacy, circular reasoning and quote-mining to indict a person for whom you have personal ire a form of trolling. Probably consern trolling- he's very concerned that all these conservative lies are completely valid criticisms of someone who he is completely objective about. The core of the argument that calling him the most important democrat is laughable. What is more important than media reform? Perhaps campaign corruption reform, but that's not happening.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 20, 2011 23:54:36 GMT -5
As I said, proving you don't know what trolling is.
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Post by lexikon on Nov 21, 2011 0:13:03 GMT -5
Gore should stick with Futurama.
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