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Post by stormwarden on Nov 21, 2011 22:15:12 GMT -5
nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/I find this article very interesting, as it's from a man who's been a Repub most of his adult life. I guess it helps because I'm a former Repub-turned-independent, and it helped explain a lot for me, I don't know. But it's a very good read, regardless. And more than anything else I've seen online it shows how hard the Repubs have flipped their wigs.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Nov 21, 2011 23:10:26 GMT -5
Nice. Except Frum's words will go unheeded, just like his words have pretty much gone like the wind since 2009. To paraphrase Bill Maher last year, the adults seem to have left the GOP. And if by adults you mean "anyone who actual has a long-term solution beyond Fuck 'Em All", Frum is one of them. He is not a moderate by any measure except in today's America, and look what he got. The current GOP/Tea Party is the direct result of the decades-long purging of more moderate elements coupled with the false equivalency that both sides have a point. They don't. The current Republican points have about as much relevancy in the real world as Zombaid from Shaun of the Dead. |
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Post by ltfred on Nov 21, 2011 23:13:07 GMT -5
Of course, David Frum was one of the biggest pushers of the most radical policy of the last four deades- the Iraq War.
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Post by nickiknack on Nov 21, 2011 23:42:18 GMT -5
Look in the mirror, that's how it started, with jackasses like yourself
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Post by id82 on Nov 22, 2011 0:59:03 GMT -5
Well if he doesn't have the support of his own party, and obviously hates Obama and what he's accomplished, wheres he going to go?
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Post by Meshakhad on Nov 22, 2011 1:06:06 GMT -5
Out in a blaze of fiery glory!
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Post by sylvana on Nov 22, 2011 4:05:45 GMT -5
I don't quite agree with everything he says, the republican ideologies sneak out every now and again in his article, but he is mostly right. It is just a pity his voice means nothing. He even admits that the people who run the republican political machine don't listen to anything as trivial as facts.
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Post by m52nickerson on Nov 22, 2011 10:37:04 GMT -5
Frum is spot on with this article. He is one of the conservatives that I respect. We need more like him.
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Post by ltfred on Nov 22, 2011 18:27:00 GMT -5
Still crazy on foreign policy. Invade everybody. World Empire! Wheeeeeee!
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Post by m52nickerson on Nov 22, 2011 21:13:02 GMT -5
Still crazy on foreign policy. Invade everybody. World Empire! Wheeeeeee! I never got that from Frum. Unless of course you are basing that only on his support of the Iraq war. |
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Post by ltfred on Nov 22, 2011 22:38:44 GMT -5
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Post by nickiknack on Nov 22, 2011 23:28:26 GMT -5
Not only foreign policy, he had a helping hand in sowing the seeds of the "All Liberals are Commies" bs, I mean we are talking about a guy switched sides because read some book on soviet gulags, and decided that being liberal = being a commie. He's just pissed because the teatards are making him look bad, so he's trying to cover his ass now.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 22, 2011 23:30:22 GMT -5
I think it started with people like you Frum. Surprized?
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Post by m52nickerson on Nov 22, 2011 23:31:53 GMT -5
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Post by ltfred on Nov 23, 2011 0:00:45 GMT -5
Have you? He calls for the invasion of Iraq, North Korea, Syria and Libya, and threatening Iran and Saudi Arabia with US-backed terrorist insurgency. He also says that Palestinians are inferior and do not deserve to own land. And he also wants reform of the CIA to make it more conservative and pro-Bushite, to ban all 'terrorist sympathisers' (defined very loosely) from immigration and to create a national identity card to intrude on people's privacy. Oh, and he still wants Ahmed Chalabi, notorious huckster who took all America for a ride, to run Iraq. Needless to say, these ideas are pretty deranged. So my anser to David's question is- when you backed the silliest, most absurd policy of the last few decades. That's when your party went crazy. |
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